Guest Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) 1. We have our PG in Jeff Teague 2. Hinrich should come off the bench and back-up Teague at PG and Joe at SG 3. We need to figure out a lineup and stick with it - no more rotating Josh and Al at SF/PF/C depending on matchups, which means we need to get a legit SF or C 4. Marvin has to go 5. If Josh is going to be the SF he needs to lose some weight. 6. Al needs to work on his footwork and get back into the post (we need a post presense), his 15 footer is nice but teams will prepare for it more next year so he has to learn the art of the pump fake and take it to the rim. 7. If we can get Jason Collins to lose some more weight, then he is welcomed back. 8. We need a center that can rebound and play defense and hustle, hustle, hustle and do all the dirty work. 9. We need a dead eye 3-point shooter to spread the floor which would help Teague w. penetration and Al in the post 10. I am torn on Jamal, he is so on and off - if we can replace his scoring then there is no need to bring him back. I'm sure there are other things but that's my list and I'm assuming that Joe, Josh and Al will still be here. Edited May 13, 2011 by jaybird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Supporter Posted May 13, 2011 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Shoulda kept Jordan the future woulda been more interesting 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member QuantumHawkz Posted May 13, 2011 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Shoulda kept Jordan the future woulda been more interesting I accidently neg you on one of the post, i ment to + you up . My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted May 13, 2011 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Giving up "he who's name shall not be mentioned" sucked. He is Jamal Crawford, but at 1/8 the price. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB1 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Our biggest issues were exposed in the playoffs: 1) we don't play smart....bad shot selection and not following LD's gameplan. 2) we don't play with energy every game - come out slow too often and fall behind early 3) we fold when we get behind 4) defense needs a lot of work - rebounding and effort need to be more consistent 5) Joe has to give into the team concept and stop trying to play the hero 6) too reliant on our PG's for scoring. Need more consistent scoring from the frontcourt I think most of these issues are to hard to fix without changinf personell. Obviously we are stuck with Joe, but we need to try and move Marvin and Smith and Jamal. We need to try this team with a quality Center and Al at the 4. We seem like we are fighting within ourselves with Jamal and Joe trying to get it all done themselves and the rest of the team trying to run the motion offense. We need everyone on the same page. The Bulls played the same way night after night and won with consistent defense. Not a bad plan to copy. Edited May 13, 2011 by JackB1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosgrim Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 The Bulls played the same way night after night and won with consistent defense. Not a bad plan to copy. I agree, the Bulls in many ways are following the Piston blueprint. They will probably win A championship with the current group, but not multiples. Rose can't be the only guy that scores night and out. The Hawks either need to blow it up or make a huge trade to reconfigure personnel and attitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted May 13, 2011 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 We have some serious problems with this team going forward. The Al/Josh experiment has to end. One has to go for a real center. We need a low post player and a guy with size. This whole two guys who want to be finesse players is done. We need a real center. The gaping, gaping, gaping hole at SF was totally exposed by the Bulls. When they kept double teaming Joe we had no one at SF that could step up and hit an outside shot or drive straight to the basket. Josh Smith is NOT a small forward and his horrible outside shooting only proved that point yet again. This team isn't making it past the second round if we don't address these issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 13, 2011 Moderators Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Giving up "he who's name shall not be mentioned" sucked. He is Jamal Crawford, but at 1/8 the price. It would be a significant difference from Jamal-Atlanta-version to Jordan if for no other reason than Jamal 2010 TS% .573, 2011 TS% .545 and Jordan 2011 TS% .456. That is a huge gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 13, 2011 Moderators Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 "he who's name shall not be mentioned" played in 42 games and scored more points than he had FGA only 15 of 42 times. In 27 of 42 games, he scored equal or fewer points than his FGA. (That doesn't factor in the FTA which helped boster his points and clear that mendoza line a few times.) Through 42 games, Jamal scored more points than he had FGA in 28 of those games and had 14 of 42 games where he scored equal or fewer points than his FGA. Jordan shows promise but he has a ways to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 It would be a significant difference from Jamal-Atlanta-version to Jordan if for no other reason than Jamal 2010 TS% .573, 2011 TS% .545 and Jordan 2011 TS% .456. That is a huge gap. There are too many variables that skew these stats. Jamal plays with Joe Josh and Al, he should get better looks. Jordan is a rookie and Jamal is a veteran. Jordan just recently joined the wizards, Jamal has been with the Hawks for a couple of years so he knows the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 13, 2011 Moderators Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 There are too many variables that skew these stats. Jamal plays with Joe Josh and Al, he should get better looks. Jordan is a rookie and Jamal is a veteran. Jordan just recently joined the wizards, Jamal has been with the Hawks for a couple of years so he knows the system. Bottomline is that Jordan usually takes more shots than he scores points. That is not a valuable skill. A lot of guys can score 12 points on 13 FGA. He needs to develop significantly from where he was this season to be an impact player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted May 13, 2011 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 It would be a significant difference from Jamal-Atlanta-version to Jordan if for no other reason than Jamal 2010 TS% .573, 2011 TS% .545 and Jordan 2011 TS% .456. That is a huge gap. Jordan is what? 19, 20 years old. He was getting better by the minute up there in Washington. Going forward I'm sure that gap will be shortened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member NineOhTheRino Posted May 13, 2011 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 It would be a significant difference from Jamal-Atlanta-version to Jordan if for no other reason than Jamal 2010 TS% .573, 2011 TS% .545 and Jordan 2011 TS% .456. That is a huge gap. Seems your being a bit shortsighted. Number are numbers but remember you're comparing a vet to a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member hawkman Posted May 13, 2011 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Jordan is what? 19, 20 years old. He was getting better by the minute up there in Washington. Going forward I'm sure that gap will be shortened Thankyou. Why the heck would you compare a 30 yr old seasoned vet to a 20yr old Rookie who only played half a season? The fact that you can even make that comparison shows the promise Jordan had. Dude only played about half a season after rotting on the bench and was amazing given the circumstances. We screwed up on that trade plain and simple. I like Kirk but it is what it is. But going forward, the draft is no longer a viable option so any moves we make will either be letting players walk, sign and trade, or just trades. Sund will have his hands full trying to figure out who stays and who goes and who we can add, especially since we don't have much wiggle room financially. I don't envy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Isn't "he who's name shall not be mentioned" the exact kind of player we are trying to move away from? We have plenty of scorers on this team as far as Iso. We need more team oriented guys and I'm sorry Jordan has shown me nothing to suggest he is one of those guys. We need more discipline on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 The point is that a .456 TS% is NOT good. AT ALL. so jc2 still has to prove he can be an efficient scorer, not a volume shooter on a horrible team yes, he's young and shows promise, but people saw some high scoring games and proclaimed him already a top player when the reality is that he's yet to show he can efficiently score, which is what is needed to be a good starter in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien_ Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) The Hawks need to get 2 of these unrestricted free agents. One Wing and one Big Man. We will be fine if we do this. I focused on only unrestricted free agents, but there are restricted players too. Wings Players Tier 1 Tayshaun Prince Shane Battier Caron Butler Mickael Pietrus Wilson Chandler Tier 2 Jason Richardson Rodney Stuckey Al Thornton Tier 3 Peja Stojakovic Matt Barnes (P) Josh Howard Big Men Tier 1 Yao Ming Zach Randolph Tyson Chandler Samuel Dalembert Nene Hilario Tier 2 Chuck Hayes Carl Landry David West Tier 3 Kwame Brown Nazr Mohammed Joel Przybilla Troy Murphy Kenyon Martin Does anybody have any idea how much money we will have for free agents without Jamal? I don't think the hawks have alot of money to spend, so I would target Mickael Pietrus & Samuel Dalembert. I think these are two guys that bring alot to the table that won't cost us a arm and a leg. Pietrus is a gritty defender that slashes to the basket and can knock down the open three. I would start him at SF next year or move Joe to small and start him at SG. Unfortunately, Pietrus has a player option, so he may not opt out. If we can't get him, then I would go after Tayshaun Prince. Samuel Dalembert is a player that can proctect the basket who will actually stay in the post. He is a limited offensive player, but is a decent (better than Zaza & Collins) rebounder and good help defender. He's also athletic enough to show on pic and rolls unlike our current backup big men. If we can get Peja for cheap, I would try and sign him too. This will replace some of Jamals offense off the bench. He's not a ball stopper like Jamal, and that's a good thing. Here's the list of free agents I used. Free Agent List Edited May 13, 2011 by ATLien_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted May 13, 2011 Moderators Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Everybody named Chandler. ~lw3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted May 13, 2011 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 The point is that a .456 TS% is NOT good. AT ALL. so jc2 still has to prove he can be an efficient scorer, not a volume shooter on a horrible team yes, he's young and shows promise, but people saw some high scoring games and proclaimed him already a top player when the reality is that he's yet to show he can efficiently score, which is what is needed to be a good starter in this league Dude, he had some REALLY impressive stretches with Washington. We get excited over 4 good games by Teague, but Crawford had 4-5 game stretches of 25 points and 5 assists on good shooting. Obviously not a sure thing but I guarantee you Washington fans are ecstatic about the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) I am looking forward to the off-season. I want to see the new CBA. I want to see what the Hawks can do financially. The Hawks need to get 2 of these unrestricted free agents. One Wing and one Big Man. We will be fine if we do this. I focused on only unrestricted free agents, but there are restricted players too. Wings Players Tier 1 Tayshaun Prince- Cost Shane Battier-Going to a contender like Chicago Caron Butler- Mavs Mickael Pietrus- Possible Wilson Chandler- Cost Tier 2 Jason Richardson -going to a contender Rodney Stuckey- Cost Al Thornton- Possible but will cost the MLE Tier 3 Peja Stojakovic - Mavs Matt Barnes (P) - ??? Josh Howard- Could he really help us? Big Men Tier 1 Yao Ming -Cost Zach Randolph- Resigned Tyson Chandler- Mavs Samuel Dalembert- Going to a contender Nene Hilario- Nuggets Tier 2 Chuck Hayes - Hou Carl Landry - ??? but he will go to the highest bidder David West- He's 1st tier and Nets Tier 3 Kwame Brown - Meh Nazr Mohammed - OKC Joel Przybilla - Going to a contender Troy Murphy - meh Kenyon Martin - Nuggs Does anybody have any idea how much money we will have for free agents without Jamal? I don't think the hawks have alot of money to spend, so I would target Mickael Pietrus & Samuel Dalembert. I think these are two guys that bring alot to the table that won't cost us a arm and a leg. Pietrus is a gritty defender that slashes to the basket and can knock down the open three. I would start him at SF next year or move Joe to small and start him at SG. Unfortunately, Pietrus has a player option, so he may not opt out. If we can't get him, then I would go after Tayshaun Prince. Samuel Dalembert is a player that can proctect the basket who will actually stay in the post. He is a limited offensive player, but is a decent (better than Zaza & Collins) rebounder and good help defender. He's also athletic enough to show on pic and rolls unlike our current backup big men. If we can get Peja for cheap, I would try and sign him too. This will replace some of Jamals offense off the bench. He's not a ball stopper like Jamal, and that's a good thing. Here's the list of free agents I used. Free Agent List Just the MLE and our pickings look slim. The Hawks MUST resign Jamal at the least. The rest just depends on other potential moves and trades. Edited May 13, 2011 by nbasuperstar40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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