Howard trade grades: Drop'em here!

[Lurker]

The only thing I didn't like about this trade was giving up #31.

[HawkItus]

My grade would be a D(pending our next move).   This is because 31 could have netted a nice fill in the front court.  For Charlotte it is a B.  They didn't give up anything for a 13/13 Center that might help them make the playoffs next year.  It's a reasonable gamble.  Neither team is winning a chip from this move so the grade is really like passing or failing Home Economics.

[Sothron]

32 minutes ago, kg01 said:

It's too soon, soth.  I highly doubt this is the only thing we do.  There's no need to "judge" right now.

Relags, man.

I like you, you know this, but that's an outright evasion. I asked you to directly grade this trade on its own merits as if it is the only trade we do. What would you grade it?

[sturt]

42 minutes ago, AHF said:

We'll have to give up more value to another team to get them to take it.

Um. But. The current trade itself suggests otherwise... I mean, unless  you think CHA gave up the more value in the equation.

Trade filler can be good trade filler and can be bad trade filler. There's nothing lock certain there, again, as the current situation attests.

[sturt]

5 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I like you, you know this, but that's an outright evasion. I asked you to directly grade this trade on its own merits as if it is the only trade we do. What would you grade it?

If I may barge in... what @kg01 said is valid... I can attest that professors routinely give students "I's every semester. It only means, there's more work to be submitted before a final grade can be assessed with any integrity.

To what I think you're getting at, though, @Sothron.... it's true, this isn't a "basketball trade," ie, one that makes sense on a talent for talent basis. But we all know that going in, and in the age of salary caps, the reality is that not every non-basketball trade is necessarily bad for the team giving up more talent.... which I think we also all understand going-in.

[willthepureshooter]

Trading the 31st pick was piss-poor negotiating by our new general manager. There's absolutely no excuse for Schlenk trading away a pick that would make us better in the "long-term" for a bum that hinders our flexibility in the "long-term." We're literally stuck with one of the NBA's worst contracts while helping an in-division team get better in the short-term and long-term. My sales experience won't allow me to excuse our management for this flub. I hope someone asks Chauncey Billups for his take on this debacle.

[Admin]

So many people butthurt over moving back from 31 to 41 and I can't help but laugh. This isn't the NFL guys. We can EASILY buy a pick in the 20's that would be better than the 31st pick for cash and one of our numerous 2nd round picks we have coming. 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I like you, you know this, but that's an outright evasion. I asked you to directly grade this trade on its own merits as if it is the only trade we do. What would you grade it?

Oh, I didn't hide from the fact that it was an evasion.  I'm not grading this individual transaction because I don't think this is complete.

If I'm checking gross margins on a 100-page invoice and I see 1 transaction that's a loss, I can't just ignore the other thousand transactions that show huge margins.  The full picture matters.

The furthest I'll go is to say that I do not like this trade.  I'm not doing it, soth.  You cain't make me!

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Dolfan23 said:

So many people butthurt over moving back from 31 to 41 and I can't help but laugh. This isn't the NFL guys. We can EASILY buy a pick in the 20's that would be better than the 31st pick for cash and one of our numerous 2nd round picks we have coming. 

hyuk .. the Hawks ... lol ... buying a pick instead of selling one to make some cash?

You realize this's the Atlanta Hawks you're talking about, right?

[Admin]

For those who don't like this trade, what other options were there? The only option we can discuss with certainty is keeping Dwight and we all know what his impact was on the team. Maybe some of you don't think that a vet like Dwight can negatively shape a young player but that's naive thinking. Dwight seems like a genuinely nice guy and he probably wasn't awful in the locker room but he clearly pouted on the floor and quitting the way that he did sent the wrong message and it needed to be dealt with. 

[Admin]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

hyuk .. the Hawks ... lol ... buying a pick instead of selling one to make some cash?

You realize this's the Atlanta Hawks you're talking about, right?

#hopeandchange?

If I'm supposed to accept that Schlenk and Ressler are good for this franchise then I am going to expect that they'll make minor financial concessions to improve the team's assets when the opportunity arises. 

[sturt]

Of the players brought in for workouts... ostensibly, players we're most interested in drafting... only three players (see red block) rated as plausible #31 talents who, now, we would not be able to obtain at #41.

It's always a crap shoot to some degree, but this year, it seems to be at the far extreme.

 

[sturt]

10 minutes ago, kg01 said:

hyuk .. the Hawks ... lol ... buying a pick instead of selling one to make some cash?

You realize this's the Atlanta Hawks you're talking about, right?

Wellllll.... who's to say we didn't buy a 12-month CD with the money we made off the Cavs last year, and now we have that as casino money? :D

[Peoriabird]

What a bunch of lame excuses...These are the types of deals that kill your franchise for a long time. If Bud can't control his locker room until he brings in the choir, maybe he should be next. I am so tired of Bud system that glorifies the softest big men in the league. I guess Muscala will nows have at least a 10-15 year career in the league thanks to the great one.

[Watchman]

11 minutes ago, Dolfan23 said:

For those who don't like this trade, what other options were there? The only option we can discuss with certainty is keeping Dwight and we all know what his impact was on the team. Maybe some of you don't think that a vet like Dwight can negatively shape a young player but that's naive thinking. Dwight seems like a genuinely nice guy and he probably wasn't awful in the locker room but he clearly pouted on the floor and quitting the way that he did sent the wrong message and it needed to be dealt with. 

But Schröder pouting and acting like a baby was totally acceptable?

[Watchman]

Just now, Peoriabird said:

What a bunch of lame excuses...These are the types of deals that kill your franchise for a long time. If Bud can't control his locker room until he brings in the choir, maybe he should be next. I am so tired of Bud system that glorifies the softest big men in the league. I guess Muscala will nows have at least a 10-15 year career in the league thanks to the great one.

And now he can get a $15-$20 million per year deal based on Plumlee's contract.

[Plainview1981]

The hawks got nothing of value. They did what it took to get rid of Howard without accepting bad contracts.

Edited June 21, 2017 by Hotlanta1981

[GrimeyKidd]

3 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

The hawks got nothing of value. They did what it took to get rid of Howard without accepting bad contracts.

12.5 Mil for 2.5 points and 2.1 rebounds is also bad

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

The hawks got nothing of value. They did what it took to get rid of Howard without accepting bad contracts.

This.

For anyone to paint it any other way, they're just agenda-squawkin'.

Just now, GrimeyKidd said:

12.5 Mil for 2.5 points and 2.1 rebounds is also bad

And it's a deal that's been traded twice now so what's the big deal?

[Marvin24Williams]

F

If we kept the 31st pick D