The Mega Super Rumor Thread (Part 2)

[bleachkit]

If you go by assist to turnover ratio, Murray is superior to Trae. Could Murray supercede Trae as floor general? It's very much a possibility. 

[Hawkmoor]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Murray will be the starting SG and will play some back up PG minutes - that's how I see it.

As of today:

1st - Trae, Murray, Hunter, Collins, Capela

2nd - Wright, Bogi, Heurter, JJ, OO

3rd - Cooper, Mays, Griffin, Martin, Vet Min C

Its soo good to see JJ's name in a rotation.  This Hawks team is loaded.  The scary part is they can possibly get better if they move Collins.  As of now though, thats a monster squad.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Hawkmoor

[Peoriabird]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

Murray will be the starting SG and will play some back up PG minutes - that's how I see it.

As of today:

1st - Trae, Murray, Hunter, Collins, Capela

2nd - Wright, Bogi, Heurter, JJ, OO

3rd - Cooper, Mays, Griffin, Martin, Vet Min C

This is the issue I have with Murray...he isn't a prototypical shooting guard which makes for an odd fit with Trae on the floor. What makes more sense to is to stagger the 2 and have Murray run the 2nd unit.

[LucastheThird]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Murray will be the starting SG and will play some back up PG minutes - that's how I see it.

As of today:

1st - Trae, Murray, Hunter, Collins, Capela

2nd - Wright, Bogi, Heurter, JJ, OO

3rd - Cooper, Mays, Griffin, Martin, Vet Min C

I don't even know why you typed this @JayBirdHawk. We all know OO is our starting Forward. He doesn't miss his 3 point shots (that he doesn't take)

[HawkingAwesome]

i don't think you guys understand how good trae is off ball.

 

[LucastheThird]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

If you go by assist to turnover ratio, Murray is superior to Trae. Could Murray supercede Trae as floor general? It's very much a possibility. 

Nah, he'll handle the ball more as the secondary play maker, but Trae is still the floor general. His turnover ratio will improve with less touches. 

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

This is the issue I have with Murray...he isn't a prototypical shooting guard which makes for an odd fit with Trae on the floor. What makes more sense to is to stagger the 2 and have Murray run the 2nd unit.

Or have Murray run the first unit and have Trae run the second unit. Im not Trae hating. Im just saying that's a possibility we should consider. 

[bleachkit]

1 minute ago, LucastheThird said:

Nah, he'll handle the ball more as the secondary play maker, but Trae is still the floor general. His turnover ratio will improve with less touches. 

Murray last year had 9.2 assists to 2.6 turnovers. That's as good as it gets. He should absolutely at the very least be given the chance to run the starting unit. Let Trae sulk. It's about winning

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Or have Murray run the first unit and have Trae run the second unit. Im not Trae hating. Im just saying that's a possibility we should consider. 

Agreed, the point is neither are a great fit together. Murray not great off the ball because his shooting. Trae just doesn't like playing off the ball and plus it would diminish his impact on offense.

[JeffS17]

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

Murray last year had 9.2 assists to 2.6 turnovers. That's as good as it gets. He should absolutely at the very least be given the chance to run the starting unit. Let Trae sulk. It's about winning

He should.  I'm sure we'll try out some different lineups, but you know Nate -- I wouldn't expect anything too creative.

[Hawkmoor]

9 minutes ago, LucastheThird said:

Nah, he'll handle the ball more as the secondary play maker, but Trae is still the floor general. His turnover ratio will improve with less touches. 

I'm more concerned in how well Nate will change his offense vs how Trae and Murray mesh together.  The pressure will be on Nate to make this work because Trae and Murray are studs.

[nathan2331]

14 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

Thats the second time I've seen that (adding new teams).  What markets are they looking at?

I've seen Seattle and Las Vegas. Then there'd be a realignment with Memphis joining the East.

[bleachkit]

 

5 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

I'm more concerned in how well Nate will change his offense vs how Trae and Murray mesh together.  The pressure will be on Nate to make this work because Trae and Murray are studs.

With Murray being an excellent point guard but also an excellent defender, there may be certain match ups where let's say if Trae is just getting absolutely cooked on defense,  he might not be the best option to close out the game. Just sayin'. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by bleachkit

[Hawkmoor]

2 minutes ago, nathan2331 said:

I've seen Seattle and Las Vegas. Then there'd be a realignment with Memphis joining the East.

Now thats something I can get with.  The first NBA team I liked was that Lenny Wilkins coached Sonics team of the 70s before I became aware of the Hawks.  Having a team in Vegas just pairs with the football team and the whole betting scene.

[Hawkmoor]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

 

With Murray being an excellent point guard but also an excellent defender, there may be certain match ups where let's say if Trae is just getting absolutely cooked on defense,  he might not be the best option to close out the game. Just sayin'. 

Thats a interesting take.  The other option in a scenario like that would be to switch offense for defense on a play per play basis very late in the game so that you could rotate Trae back in for offense.  Thats a interesting option though that you pointed out.

[REHawksFan]

The idea that Trae is all of a sudden going to be running the 2nd unit and Dejounte running the starting point is, well, just silly at this point.  The two are going to be fairly interchangeable, imo, but at the end of the day, we all know Trae is the better offensive player.  He'll be the Alpha running the show more often than not.  

I do think he'll play more off the ball and that's part of what is driving this trade.  Trae has been ELITE playing off the ball in the (very) small amounts of time he's done it.  The idea will be to get more of that which will only enhance his overall production.  The real question is whether DJ can create some spacing when Trae is at point since he's never been known as a good perimeter shooter.  

[NBASupes]

26 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

Thats the second time I've seen that (adding new teams).  What markets are they looking at?

My guy refuses to tell me but I've read Vegas and Seattle 

[dalamchops]

before lbj and wade teamed up they were both extremely high usage guys, and only dropped a few % after they got together.  Generational talents can figure it out, if trae is one.

[txsting]

2 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

Hawks got their man!  We still have all of our young players.  Will we really need those future picks, in the future, as we need our present new Hawk?

Still under repair.

There's a time for picks, and there's a time for players.  We've been building this thing for 4-5 years.  The last time we really bottomed out was the 24 win season in 2017-2018.  At that time, the picks were everything, we collected them like gems and turned them into:

1. Collins
2. Huerter
3. Trae
4. Reddish (since converted to protected 1st)
5. Hunter (draft day deal costing picks 8, 17 and 35)
6. Onyeka
7. Jalen Johnson
8. AJ Griffin

We whiffed on one first rounder, Omari Spellman who was a #30 pick.

Clint Capela only cost a protected first rounder (via BKN) and Evan Turner's matching salary.  Steal of a deal.

Bogi signed in free agency for 4/72M and is the oldest player in the core - he will be 30 by start of the season.

Now we have Murray, who cost us picks (including the Reddish pick), but no core players.   !!?!?!?@?@?@??!

We stand today with 10, TEN, 10, TEN core players, values ranging from significant (Bogi, Huerter, JJ, AJ) to stratospheric (Trae).  2 All-Stars.  Catch your breath - this was a rebuild for the ages.  Who said tanking works?  They are correct.

-------- THAT WAS THE TIME FOR PICKS --------

What in the world can a team like this do with middle to late 1st round picks at this point???  There are no more minutes to be had.  Any trades we make from this core will likely result in an even better core player.  Obviously we are looking for 2-for-1 and 3-for-1 type deals at this point because we have too many hands, and in time, too many salaries.

I was upset that we even made a draft choice this year.  Poor AJ Griffin.  He has little to no chance here - what's true for JJ is doubly true for AJ.  Should have moved that pick for a future 1st.  Funny how once you pick someone in the mid 1st round, the value of the guy you get is instantly half of the pick itself.

----- AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR PLAYERS ----------

This is better than getting Joe Johnson.  It's better than the Bibby trade.  It's better than the Danny Ferry Hawks.  There's nothing much to compare it to in Atlanta Hawks history.  This is a watershed moment.  The summer everything changed.

 

 

[NBASupes]

10 minutes ago, nathan2331 said:

I've seen Seattle and Las Vegas. Then there'd be a realignment with Memphis joining the East.

Logically, Minnesota makes the most sense in the east. 

New Orleans is close to Memphis but no one in the west is close to Minnesota