Popular Post thecampster Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 My opinion on all of the above JC defense vs Kat Defensive rating (lower is better) - Kat career 109.2, last season 113.7 JC career 112.7, 115.3 last season. A simple look would stat Kat is actually better defensively than JC with one small caveat. Kat played both positions while JC primarily played PF. PF's historically have a larger rating than C's. That said, Kat played primarily PF last season and was better last season by 1.6. One might argue that Kat is better offensively which leads to better team defense. John's career offense rating is 121.2 but was only 116.7 last season. However, Kat's ORTG last year was the same at 116.7 with a career number of 119.4. The delineating factor here is who each played with. While John's offense was obviously helped by having Trae in the lineup but fell yearly with Clint in the lineup and young players growing, Kat has never really benefitted from elite PG play and his numbers fell last year as other players took on an offensive load. I'd say the Hawks are better with KAT than JC but what I can't say is they're $23 million more in salary better. The only benefit Kat brings that JC doesn't is the star factor and the benefit of the call. Kat is more likely to get calls and that could turn games in the final 3 minutes. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted July 14, 2023 Moderators Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, thecampster said: My opinion on all of the above JC defense vs Kat Defensive rating (lower is better) - Kat career 109.2, last season 113.7 JC career 112.7, 115.3 last season. A simple look would stat Kat is actually better defensively than JC with one small caveat. Kat played both positions while JC primarily played PF. PF's historically have a larger rating than C's. That said, Kat played primarily PF last season and was better last season by 1.6. One might argue that Kat is better offensively which leads to better team defense. John's career offense rating is 121.2 but was only 116.7 last season. However, Kat's ORTG last year was the same at 116.7 with a career number of 119.4. The delineating factor here is who each played with. While John's offense was obviously helped by having Trae in the lineup but fell yearly with Clint in the lineup and young players growing, Kat has never really benefitted from elite PG play and his numbers fell last year as other players took on an offensive load. I'd say the Hawks are better with KAT than JC but what I can't say is they're $23 million more in salary better. The only benefit Kat brings that JC doesn't is the star factor and the benefit of the call. Kat is more likely to get calls and that could turn games in the final 3 minutes. I'm not the biggest KAT fan in the world but last few years he's been shooting close 40% from 3 on about twice the attempts per game as JC. So definitely stretches the D more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylndr11 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Spud2nique said: 5 posts in and he’s familiar with the crew! #burnerfosho Nah it's Arods burner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylndr11 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, macdaddy said: I'm not the biggest KAT fan in the world but last few years he's been shooting close 40% from 3 on about twice the attempts per game as JC. So definitely stretches the D more. Hey let's keep this gender neutral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwolvesFan77 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 All the buzz seems to be Pascal, not KAT to Hawks. I would start planning for Pascal, haven’t watched him a ton but he should help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylndr11 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, thecampster said: My opinion on all of the above JC defense vs Kat Defensive rating (lower is better) - Kat career 109.2, last season 113.7 JC career 112.7, 115.3 last season. A simple look would stat Kat is actually better defensively than JC with one small caveat. Kat played both positions while JC primarily played PF. PF's historically have a larger rating than C's. That said, Kat played primarily PF last season and was better last season by 1.6. One might argue that Kat is better offensively which leads to better team defense. John's career offense rating is 121.2 but was only 116.7 last season. However, Kat's ORTG last year was the same at 116.7 with a career number of 119.4. The delineating factor here is who each played with. While John's offense was obviously helped by having Trae in the lineup but fell yearly with Clint in the lineup and young players growing, Kat has never really benefitted from elite PG play and his numbers fell last year as other players took on an offensive load. I'd say the Hawks are better with KAT than JC but what I can't say is they're $23 million more in salary better. The only benefit Kat brings that JC doesn't is the star factor and the benefit of the call. Kat is more likely to get calls and that could turn games in the final 3 minutes. Law of diminishing returns, to get a stsr that is a little better than a decent player u pay exponentially more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spud2nique Posted July 14, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, TwolvesFan77 said: All the buzz seems to be Pascal, not KAT to Hawks. I would start planning for Pascal, haven’t watched him a ton but he should help out. How did you get in here? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 52 minutes ago, RandomFan said: That can't be sturt. No book length posts with circular arguments debating something nobody said in the first place. Eggsactly how stu would throw us off the case. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 This thread is still going? Hawks are done y'all.. lol 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 14, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Waiting til Sept for Kat tells me this.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABH Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 55 minutes ago, TwolvesFan77 said: All the buzz seems to be Pascal, not KAT to Hawks. I would start planning for Pascal, haven’t watched him a ton but he should help out. Smokescreen about pascal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Diesel said: Waiting til Sept for Kat tells me this.... No OO, OO alone is better than KAT, more valuable for his D, I’d rather keep my boy OO, he’s the next hybrid center. Quick and powerful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 14, 2023 Author Moderators Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: No OO, OO alone is better than KAT, more valuable for his D, I’d rather keep my boy OO, he’s the next hybrid center. Quick and powerful. Yeah, if we are trading for KAT then he needs to be paired in the frontcourt with OO. CC needs to be the one going in the trade. We just saw KAT with a CC-like center in Rudy and it did not work. Conversely, OO would fit better with KAT than any big he has ever played with. This is why I think 3-way scenarios are likely needed if we were going to trade with Minnesota since obviously the T-Wolves will need assets from the 3rd team in place of CC. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 It is clear to me that the Raptors dont want this guy. They are likely looking for a heist. We have a year to use that 25 mill or lose it. The right trade could come along that we don't have to tear up the team to get. I don't want to give Siakam a 50 plus mill dollar contract next year.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Trade Capela & Hunter for KAT. Then our center problem is solved. #1 - OO #2- Bruno #3 - KAT OO and Bruno plays regularly. KAT is, in case of emergency, break glass. On another note: Two of our draft picks were very good and Gueye exceeded all expectations. I'm excited to watch all three in pre-season games!! GO ATL HAWKS!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gray Mule said: Trade Capela & Hunter for KAT. Then our center problem is solved. #1 - OO #2- Bruno #3 - KAT OO and Bruno plays regularly. KAT is, in case of emergency, break glass. On another note: Two of our draft picks were very good and Gueye exceeded all expectations. I'm excited to watch all three in pre-season games!! GO ATL HAWKS!! I liked what I saw from Norris too.. He shot 2/3 from deep, and 5/7 inside the arc. That's shooting 70%! He scored 12 points in 14 minutes and had 4 rebounds and 2 steals as well. How about we just Run the regular season 1st 10 games with Summer League Roster, plus Trae and Murray........ Young Murray Lundy/Martin Gueye/Norris Kabengele/Manek Then see who stands out, then bring in last years team with the best 3 of the Summer league crew.. Edited July 14, 2023 by terrell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, Gray Mule said: Trade Capela & Hunter for KAT. Ya let’s just on this. It’s fair for both sides, we can even throw in a 2nd in 2029. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, terrell said: I don't want to give Siakam a 50 plus mill dollar contract next year.... Damn I didn’t know this was a Ressler burner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member BangHolman Posted July 14, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Diesel said: Waiting til Sept for Kat tells me this.... KAT/Gobert is a better version of what KAT/CC would be. You have to keep the more versatile OO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 14, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Well then this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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