TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 9 minutes ago, KB21 said: He’s not going to solve any of the perimeter defense issues this team has. He’s not as good of a defender as Hunter. Offensively, his shot profile quite frankly sucks. He doesn’t shoot threes at a high rate. He doesn’t get to the rim. Then, his contract situation sucks. He’s already overpaid for what he is, and will be asking for a lot more as a free agent. That means he'd be perfect as a Hawk . . . seeing this is what most of our players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 9 minutes ago, KB21 said: He’s not going to solve any of the perimeter defense issues this team has. He’s not as good of a defender as Hunter. Offensively, his shot profile quite frankly sucks. He doesn’t shoot threes at a high rate. He doesn’t get to the rim. Then, his contract situation sucks. He’s already overpaid for what he is, and will be asking for a lot more as a free agent. That means he'd be perfect as a Hawk . . . seeing this is what most of our players are. 9 minutes ago, KB21 said: He’s not going to solve any of the perimeter defense issues this team has. He’s not as good of a defender as Hunter. Offensively, his shot profile quite frankly sucks. He doesn’t shoot threes at a high rate. He doesn’t get to the rim. Then, his contract situation sucks. He’s already overpaid for what he is, and will be asking for a lot more as a free agent. That means he'd be perfect as a Hawk . . . seeing this is what most of our players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 10 hours ago, Final_quest said: Simple answer is Collins has no value with that contract. He was barely able to make outside shots the last year he played with us. Ingram is capable of being a primary focal point of an offense. Utah would trade Collins in a heart beat if they could get a decent return. Not being an "insider" I can't say for sure, but it's safe to say there are way more teams interested in Brandon Ingram than Collins. What we think individually doesn't matter. The league perceives Collins as a much lower tier player. This is true. Not being great value for Murray isn't the same as being JC trade value. JC just don't have a role on a roster that's higher than someone long term wanting him to be a 6th man and he's not as athletic as he was when he first came to Atlanta. His athleticism has dropped but his skills haven't improved at the same rate. Most Jazz fans recently said they see him as a 8-10 million dollar a year player. Considering he makes around 25 mil, they don't see him as a good value at all for them but they knew that when they traded for him. No one us questioning if BI is worth the same amount as Murray in terms of contract but everyone knows he will get paid more and that Murray has cheap controllable years moving forward and BI doesn't even now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 8 hours ago, NekiEcko said: The truth is, there aren't many players who will fulfill our needs in perimeter/POA defense without us having to sacrifice something valuable. I have my reservations about BI too, but currently, our options are limited unless we're prepared to trade Trae or JJ. There are more of those types of players than you think. We could have gotten NAW this past offseason. We could have traded for Derrick White instead of Dejounte Murray. We don’t have to settle on a player who doesn’t fit well next to Trae just because we have to do something. Particularly one that is overpaid and wants even more in an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kg01 Posted May 12 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 12 9 hours ago, KB21 said: We have some fans who refuse to look past OO not being 7-foot tall and refuse to acknowledge his talent to the point that we want to just throw him in on a bad deal. Then we can replace him with a 7-footer who isn’t nearly as talent but at least he’s 7-foot. Literally nobody is saying this. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 2 minutes ago, kg01 said: Literally nobody is saying this. It’s the entire premise for trading him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 We have fans who would get a case of priapism if we traded OO and replaced him with the likes of Ayton and Bamba. Neither are good but they have size, and that’s all that matters to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSays Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Good vibes today. Maybe we'll finally get lucky. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 You know how everyone thinks Adam Silver will hand us a top 4 pick because it’s a bad draft and all… Foo won’t even do that watch. There’s low, then there dirt low, he lives beneath with the creatures. GO HAWKS!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekiEcko Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 24 minutes ago, KB21 said: We have fans who would get a case of priapism if we traded OO and replaced him with the likes of Ayton and Bamba. Neither are good but they have size, and that’s all that matters to some. I understand, but we cannot continue to spin our wheels and wait for change. No player, including Trae or JJ, is untouchable if it means improving the team. Playing it safe will only result in us consistently landing picks 10 - 15 every year, and that's not acceptable anymore. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 I remember I used to get sooooo excited for the draft. Then we got the likes of Koncak, Adam Keefe and Doug Edwards… Then we moved up a couple years… Landed #3 traded Gasol for Shareef. Landed #6 DeMarr Johnson I mean…. EVEN IF WE GET A TOP 4 pick.. Who we gonna draft, Marvin Williams over Chris Paul? Or just give the landlord Shelden a promise to pick him when there are Rondo’s in the draft. This is a vicious circle ️ for us, we either don’t get to pick high with no luck and when we do, we sabotage ourselves with picks.. It’s not even management these are completely different eras of basketball . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 48 minutes ago, KB21 said: It’s the entire premise for trading him. No, it's your assumptive read on what people are saying. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Just now, kg01 said: No, it's your assumptive read on what people are saying. It’s exactly the reason, because the reason for trading him isn’t his play. He’s been very good. It’s because he’s “not a real center.” Same shit fans did with Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 12 minutes ago, KB21 said: We have fans who would get a case of priapism if we traded OO and replaced him with the likes of Ayton and Bamba. Neither are good but they have size, and that’s all that matters to some. This tepid take is so tiring. Why is OO’s lack of size such a sensitive subject for you? You may find 1 out of 500 fans who think this, but for the rest of us it has more to do with the thought that we could use A 7 footer, not that all three of our centers need to be 7 feet. ¿Comprendes? We need to add size to our roster. OO is great, he’s fine, but he can’t do it all, and he hasn’t done enough to justify being untouchable. I don’t think anyone *wants* him gone. But the fact is we need to replace at least one of our three centers and he currently has the highest trade value. OO: Positive trade value Bruno: Neutral trade value CC: Negative trade value OO trade scenarios work because 1) it opens a front court spot on the roster, and 2) it will bring back positive assets in return. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSomeGuy Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 BI alone with DJ is basically a wash. Two guys who have similar shot profiles who are good enough to occasionally put up a big number but not good enough to carry a team as the lead star. DJ is a better defender but BI is more efficient and offers better length, which is one of our biggest weaknesses, but that’s about it. BI isn’t a bad 3 point shooter, just not a high volume shooter. So he’s still a threat. BI + Dyson ups the deal because it gives us a young POA defender better than anyone currently on our roster, including Hunter, who is terribly overrated as a defender and gives us functionally nothing else but streaky shooting. We also have a legit need for a rim protector because now we neither have POA defenders or a paint presence that can consistently deter shots. OO is decent but is also a poor rebounder. A functional big who is a primary defender and lob threat becomes a plus offensively playing with Trae and is easier to obtain than POA defenders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 9 minutes ago, bird_dirt said: This tepid take is so tiring. Why is OO’s lack of size such a sensitive subject for you? You may find 1 out of 500 fans who think this, but for the rest of us it has more to do with the thought that we could use A 7 footer, not that all three of our centers need to be 7 feet. ¿Comprendes? We need to add size to our roster. OO is great, he’s fine, but he can’t do it all, and he hasn’t done enough to justify being untouchable. I don’t think anyone *wants* him gone. But the fact is we need to replace at least one of our three centers and he currently has the highest trade value. OO: Positive trade value Bruno: Neutral trade value CC: Negative trade value OO trade scenarios work because 1) it opens a front court spot on the roster, and 2) it will bring back positive assets in return. Good luck finding a 7-footer who can do even half the stuff OO can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 51 minutes ago, KB21 said: It’s exactly the reason, because the reason for trading him isn’t his play. He’s been very good. It’s because he’s “not a real center.” Same shit fans did with Al. This is plainly wrong and simply your assumptions. His availability alone renders him imminently 'touchable' in trade talks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, KB21 said: Good luck finding a 7-footer who can do even half the stuff OO can. Well, that’s not the point. The point is to get a 7 footer who can do things OO and CC and Bruno can’t do. In an ideal world, we’d keep OO and acquire a good 7 footer to diversify our center rotation options. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, bird_dirt said: Well, that’s not the point. The point is to get a 7 footer who can do things OO and CC and Bruno can’t do. In an ideal world, we’d keep OO and acquire a good 7 footer to diversify our center rotation options. When you have people pushing to draft Edey, it’s very clearly more about size than ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, KB21 said: It’s exactly the reason, because the reason for trading him isn’t his play. He’s been very good. It’s because he’s “not a real center.” Same shit fans did with Al. I think OO has just been okay. If he was very good he would have easily beat out a clearly in decline CC at some point the past two years. That lack of impact and improvement coupled with his frequent injuries makes him a huge question mark going forward in anything other than a backup role. I would definitely move him in a deal if it makes sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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