Referendum on Hunter....

[macdaddy]

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

So what does this all mean?  The player with the highest plus minus is the best player on the team?

it means Bufkin sucks and we should give up on him.  JK.  

I think it's such a small sample it doesn't really mean anything but if you were just going to eye test who's played the best this season it falls roughly in this order with the exception of Hunter.  I'd switch Hunter and Bey in impact but i think Bey is benefitting from playing a lot with good shooting bench guys and Hunter's ratings are getting sucked down by playing mostly with Trae.  Just a guess.

[Diesel]

Here's the follow up Question...

Where does the emergence of Dre and Bey leave AJ?

Is AJ still an Objective of the future?

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, Diesel said:

Here's the follow up Question...

Where does the emergence of Dre and Bey leave AJ?

Is AJ still an Objective of the future?

1. Bey is a RFAcy this offseason, so we don't know if he will be back.  He has not secured the starting PF spot.  Rumor is Hawks offered $15 per he wanted $20 per.  It only takes one team to offer him starting slot and $20 mil for him to leave.

2. AJ just turned 20 - need him to keep developing under Quin.

3. Hawks don't have their picks in 2025 and 2027 picks - they'll need cheap guys on rookie contracts to keep developing to fill the bench.

4. Then there is Bogi - he is 31 and we know how injuries keep him off the floor.

 

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

Give me 1 reason he would stop.  Every time y'all think that Trae is better with something, there is never this talk of if he keeps it up.  The true of the matter is that Trae is the one that never keep doing good things not Dre!  LOL!

Nature...

"Changing your nature is the hardest thing to do.  But I have discovered that you can be who you choose to be.".  - G.F.I.

You figure that Dre got all the way to his second NBA contract by giving half of an effort on the court.  It's going to take a lot for him to break that habit. 

You mention Trae.  Trae has spent all of his life trying to prove that he is the best.   Whether he succeeds or he fails, you can guarantee that everytime out Trae is going to always give his best. 

We are bound to our nature... and even though the nature of nature is to change because we're always changing, some changes takes longer than others.

 

 

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

7 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Nature...

"Changing your nature is the hardest thing to do.  But I have discovered that you can be who you choose to be.".  - G.F.I.

You figure that Dre got all the way to his second NBA contract by giving half of an effort on the court.  It's going to take a lot for him to break that habit. 

I disagree.

Sometimes a coaching change does a lot for a player.  Puts him in situations to succeed as long as he is willing to listen, which by all accounts he is willing.

Everyone else seems to have bought in on Quin, so why not him. Quin is breaking bad habits for the entire team.

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I disagree.

Sometimes a coaching change does a lot for a player.  Puts him in situations to succeed as long as he is willing to listen, which by all accounts he is willing.

Everyone else seems to have bought in on Quin, so why not him.

The coach does a lot for the player and the culture.  Maybe players gave a half effort because of who they were playing with both Offensively and defensively.  Now that a coach is holding everybody accountable, there appears to be some buy in.

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I disagree.

Sometimes a coaching change does a lot for a player.  Puts him in situations to succeed as long as he is willing to listen, which by all accounts he is willing.

Everyone else seems to have bought in on Quin, so why not him.

It's no need to disagree. 

The idea of changing your very Nature is still hard.   We have seen some signs of frustration from Hunter already while he is learning to play in Quin's system.   It doesn't mean that he won't change his nature.   To me, his nature was to half ass it.  To not give his all. To always look for the refs or somebody to bail him out.   I've seen less of that since we have started the season.   Are those things coached out... sure they can be.  However, the player still have to be willing to change for the coach.    Some players won't change regardless of who you give them.  Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, and Chuck Daly couldn't make them change.   But I'm glad that Dre is one that seemingly has changed. 

 

 

 

 

[terrell]

4 hours ago, AHF said:

Did someone hack your account?

This is calling for Bey to be benched and traded in the same post and it like a week old.

Pretty sure He's called for Murray to be moved too.. lol

[Peoriabird]

4 minutes ago, terrell said:

Pretty sure He's called for Murray to be moved too.. lol

Before he signed the extension.  But don't throw too many stone while living in that glass house

[terrell]

3 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

If Hunter is playing like that but he doesn't.  You keep making this about criticism and its not.  Its about making the case that Hunter has no value to this team and therefore needs to be either traded or benched.  When I suggest bending Trae or Murray, then come with this argument.  The referendum comment was just sarcasm

Who ever said he doesnt add any value to the team? Its always been about his passiveness, injuries, and salary with me..

Hes earning his $ so far but why are you acting like hes always played like this???

[terrell]

8 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Before he signed the extension.  But don't throw too many stone while living in that glass house

So you HAVE called for a player to moved.... 

And stop lumping me in with the Dre "haters"..

I was the JC "hater.. You know this.. lol

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by terrell

[Peoriabird]

25 minutes ago, terrell said:

So you HAVE called for a player to moved.... 

And stop lumping me in with the Dre "haters"..

I was the JC "hater.. You know this.. lol

 

LOL!

[theheroatl]

Can we get an updated list of each posters hated and loved players.. we don’t have an updated list post JC

Edited November 2, 2023 by theheroatl

[JayBirdHawk]

23 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Can we get an updated list of each posters hated and loved players.. we don’t have an updated list post JC

Feel free to start one. You can add mine to it.......

Spoiler

 

[thecampster]

Too much negative karma in this thread from everyone for my liking.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Raw numbers weren't going to be favorable to Dre previous role. He wasn't asked to do anything stocks based on either end. 

The RAPTOR was high on Dre non stat impact. It's his stat based impact that was generally low which made sense via his role.

+/- has too much noise. Offensive rating, he's at 127, was at 140 and at 114 on defense. That's excellent so far and top on the team. 

Agree. 

 

Too bad FiveThirtyEight isn't doing RAPTOR any more.  I'd love to see what his RAPTOR rating looks like right now.  Would it be comparable to the 2020 - 21 season?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, theheroatl said:

Can we get an updated list of each posters hated and loved players.. we don’t have an updated list post JC

( Bleep it ) . . . I'll start

 

Love

• Trae
• Bruno
• JJ
• FIBA Bogi

 

Hate

• Pat Bev
• Jordan Poole
• Luka
• Marcus Smart

[Spud2nique]

3 hours ago, theheroatl said:

Can we get an updated list of each posters hated and loved players.. we don’t have an updated list post JC

I’ve loved everybody who has come through and if they suck I prolly hated them.  

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

JJ

Ya me too  

[Spud2nique]

I like Hunter on this team a lot more with Quin under the helm. As long as Hunter only takes a few dribbles and doesn’t have to create too much but rather isolate and school his man one on one ala James Worthy ( who by the way I thought Marv would turn into and have said Hunter was the second coming of Marv so it’s a circle ️ ) then he can be VERY effective. 
 

He can’t dribble in traffic or create too much for other but he can and will pass out of double teams, he’s not selfish and he D’s up well as we all know.

I dunno, he may be growing on me. 
 

I’d still be open to dealing him if the right trade becomes available but he’s becoming an asset in our system for sure and it has already shown this year through 5 games.