Hawks looking to trade

[Sothron]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

If JJ is gone, who is our 2nd best player if we acquire Siakam?

How many clips of this guy do you all have to see, to see that this guy can really play basketball?

 

 

Who in the hell on our team besides Trae, can do this as the #1 option in an offense?  This dude is not a slouch.

 

The best case scenario for the Hawks is to pair up Siakam and JJ on a frontline with ( insert Hawks center ).

Landry can't be that stupid or desperate to trade JJ, in order to get Siakam.

 

I don't have a problem with Siakam if there was a chance he'd stay here. But he is not. If you remember @NBASupes talking about this before he's right: our best case if we trade for Siakam is as a pure rental player. And then in the offseason we do a S&T with Philly and at least get a massive TPE that we could potentially use or include in a deal to get another player.

Siakam is going to Philly in the offseason. We're not even a contending team one player away from a real shot at a title either. We're a lottery team that with Siakam might win enough games the rest of the year to be a play in team.

I wouldn't trade anything for that personally. I'd rather lose honestly the rest of the season, get a high pick and retool the roster in the summer. Or still don't make the trade and hope the team gets out of its own way and starts winning games.

If the NBA worked as a sport like the NHL or MLB where you can legit give up picks and prospects for a rental player, even for a playoff run with no hopes of a title, I would be fine with it. But that's not the sport works sadly.

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

I don't have a problem with Siakam if there was a chance he'd stay here. But he is not. If you remember @NBASupes talking about this before he's right: our best case if we trade for Siakam is as a pure rental player. And then in the offseason we do a S&T with Philly and at least get a massive TPE that we could potentially use or include in a deal to get another player.

Siakam is going to Philly in the offseason. We're not even a contending team one player away from a real shot at a title either. We're a lottery team that with Siakam might win enough games the rest of the year to be a play in team.

I wouldn't trade anything for that personally. I'd rather lose honestly the rest of the season, get a high pick and retool the roster in the summer. Or still don't make the trade and hope the team gets out of its own way and starts winning games.

If the NBA worked as a sport like the NHL or MLB where you can legit give up picks and prospects for a rental player, even for a playoff run with no hopes of a title, I would be fine with it. But that's not the sport works sadly.

 

How did Toronto get their championship? 

They traded DeRozan for Kawhi.  He got them a championship.  And bounced. 

60 games + playoffs, and he was gone.

The problem with most people is that they don't believe Siakam would be a game changer here.  So why even trade for him?  I beg to differ. Maybe not a championship, but a deep playoff run. 

I want to see Trae play with a high level frontcourt talent, to see how that would really look. Even if it's just for half a season, I want to see it.  We don't have time to mess around here. Trae's opt out year is 2026. We cant wait until 2025 to scramble to put high level players around him.  And we cant keep surrounding Trae with even more kids, hoping they develop into something. Trae deserves to play with a high level player.

The time to make a major move is NOW.

Get Siakam and see if he transforms the team.  If not, you have a chance to still remake the team via TPE.

It might be HARDER to remake the team in the summer of 2024 if we do nothing.  Our core guys are locked in through the summer of 2025. And only Capela is a free agent. The rest are locked up through 2026.

Do we keep this group together for another 2 years, if they miss the playoffs this season?

Scared money don't make no money.

Pull the trigger on Siakam.  Do not give up Trae or Jalen to get him. Everyone else is on the table.

 

[AHF]

My short take on the spectrum of results from a Siakam trade:

WORST CASE

* A trade for significant value where he signs as a FA with Philly this offseason.  This leaves us feeding lottery picks to SA for years to come and wrecks the franchise for the next decade as Trae decides to walk from this **** show.

MIDDLE GROUND

This is a DM trade where we give up significant value (thinks trades with JJ+).  We get Siakam and make the playoffs maybe even winning our first round series.  We resign him for a max deal and enjoy some good years from him as he begins to decline in his 30’s.  Our cap is a mess and we will have roster challenges depending who is sent out in the trade (spacing with Bogi, wing defense with Dre, etc).  The players and assets we give up for him prevent us from contending as we see some of them blossom for other teams.

BEST CASE

Siakam is priced as a rental and ends up costing one player like OO or Dre, one of our non-essential young players like AJ, a pick plus filler.  He resigns with the Hawks and we are a much more competitive team for the next few years that could even make the jump to contender status if we follow this with smart moves.

 

There are lots of other permutations but I am concerned that the bad scenarios are easy to see and seem highly realistic (ie we overpay for an expiring UFA entering his 30’s and he wants to go to Philly to a true contender with his former coach and friend).  Landry can’t get this wrong right now because with us not owning our picks for the next 3 years the downside is abyss level scary.

 

[theheroatl]

Whatever trade that happens is going to come out of left field... It always does. I also do NOT think we trade for Siakam. That ship is sailed. We didn't anticipate getting Bey routed to us, we didn't anticipate OG going to the Knicks.

I hope it's Hunter, Patty Mills, and Saddiq for Brandon Ingram

 

Trae
DJM
Ingram
JJ
Capela

Edited January 1 by theheroatl

[kg01]

9 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Whatever trade that happens is going to come out of left field... It always does. I also do NOT think we trade for Siakam. That ship is sailed. We didn't anticipate getting Bey routed to us, we didn't anticipate OG going to the Knicks.

I hope it's Hunter, Patty Mills, and Saddiq for Brandon Ingram

 

Trae
DJM
Ingram
JJ
Capela

I hear your sentiment.  On NOP, if I'm them, I want to trade zion while I still can.  Are there rumors of thIngram being unhappy there?  Just curious. 

[JayBirdHawk]

8 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

They traded DeRozan for Kawhi.  He got them a championship.  And bounced. 

60 games + playoffs, and he was gone.

The problem with most people is that they don't believe Siakam would be a game changer here.  So why even trade for him?  I beg to differ. Maybe not a championship, but a deep playoff run. 

Here's the difference with Toronto and us:

1. they already had a team built for high playoff succes, so they were closer to championship contention and could take that risk. We are not even in the playin.

2. That was an off season trade, so Raps had ample time to incorporate him into their team

3. Toronto didn't have the pick deficit to be concerned about if Kawhi left. Hawks do.

So, it all boils down to what we have to give up to get him with the understanding that he's more likely to leave than not. 

(just to note, there is also no guarantee we will get a TPE in 2024 if a team signs him outright)

......and I'm not saying we shouldn't do something, it just has to be the right something.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Landry can’t get this wrong right now because with us not owning our picks for the next 3 years the downside is abyss level scary.

This more than anything.

[theheroatl]

27 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I hear your sentiment.  On NOP, if I'm them, I want to trade zion while I still can.  Are there rumors of thIngram being unhappy there?  Just curious. 

No clue but the point is... any trade that surfaces will be off-the-wall and will include players nobody saw coming

Everything else is a smoke show to gain leverages against other teams.. Like Siakam to Atlanta is used to gain leverage for Toronto trading him to Charlotte... that's just an illustration but we don't have any clue who the real trade partners are ever

[Gray Mule]

"There will be wars and rumors of wars, but the end is not yet."

There has been trades and rumors of trades, but nothing has happened in Hawkville.

The New Year has opened today.  There is no action with our team.  If and when something takes place, it will probably be a surprise to us, as KG01 said, it will come out of left field.  Squawk posters will be both happy and sad.  Happy with who we got and sad with who we lost.  Remember, we can't buy a month's groceries with a nod and a grin.  We must pay for whoever we trade for.  Most all NBA players ain't cheap.

[NekiEcko]

1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

"There will be wars and rumors of wars, but the end is not yet."

There has been trades and rumors of trades, but nothing has happened in Hawkville.

The New Year has opened today.  There is no action with our team.  If and when something takes place, it will probably be a surprise to us, as KG01 said, it will come out of left field.  Squawk posters will be both happy and sad.  Happy with who we got and sad with who we lost.  Remember, we can't buy a month's groceries with a nod and a grin.  We must pay for whoever we trade for.  Most all NBA players ain't cheap.

That is right, you have pay to play.

But I think this month is going to be the most important month for the Hawks, not only for this season but maybe the next couple of years.  As of right now, this team is 13 - 19 (2 games behind Chicago) but we got to face OKC, Pacers (x2), 76ers and Magic in the next five games.  In fact, only the Spurs, Wiz, Warriors (but they will be over .500 soon) and Raptors is the only sub .500 teams this team will play this month but everybody else......If we need to do something, it needs to be soon very soon, or we will be up the creek with no paddle.  

Edited January 1 by NekiEcko

[JayBirdHawk]

On 12/30/2023 at 3:51 PM, Sothron said:

I actually think the chances of a Hawks rental for Siakam have went up. Team Soft Rebuild in the FO is apparently losing to Trae's Team Get Me A Third Star faction in the FO.

As long as we are paying rental prices only. 

Thoughts on what @NBASupes said about Trae trying on convince Siakam to join/resign over the summer but Siakam declining. And if that's the case why would Trae still want him

On 12/30/2023 at 4:14 PM, NBASupes said:

A TPE could get us a top end FA this year or next year. We can't do it otherwise due to the salary cap. 

Just to note - can't use a TPE to sign a FA outright. It will have to be a SnT.

[JeffS17]

Only reason to get Siakam would be to retain bird rights for players.  If hes truly a rental our FO will know that and just send away guys we want to get off of anyways (probably Hunter and filler).  
 

I do think if we could get Tobias Harris and extend him at a reasonable salary hes an all around decent vet.  Always liked him fine except his contract.  

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

I hear your sentiment.  On NOP, if I'm them, I want to trade zion while I still can.  Are there rumors of thIngram being unhappy there?  Just curious. 

This 

 

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

I do think if we could get Tobias Harris and extend him at a reasonable salary hes an all around decent vet.  Always liked him fine except his contract.  

If we do all this for Tobias Harris, then why did we trade JC away for?  Philly would love to drop him on our necks.

 

[Macknsweetjones]

If we can get siakam for Hunter that would be great ..I don’t want to resign siakam if he leaves in the off-season cool we dumped Hunter salary and now we have capital to add more pieces 

[JTB]

5 hours ago, theheroatl said:

Whatever trade that happens is going to come out of left field... It always does.

Unfortunately this seems so true! Hell when we got Murray it seem like the rumors started exactly 2 days before we actually got him.

Didn’t even know Murray was on the market and don’t recall insiders mentioning it too many days before the trade went down. News was broken here first that we got Murray before it hit national media.

[Wretch]

6 hours ago, theheroatl said:

Whatever trade that happens is going to come out of left field... It always does. I also do NOT think we trade for Siakam. That ship is sailed. We didn't anticipate getting Bey routed to us, we didn't anticipate OG going to the Knicks.

I hope it's Hunter, Patty Mills, and Saddiq for Brandon Ingram

 

Trae
DJM
Ingram
JJ
Capela

[JeffS17]

Ingram would be nice, would not hate that move at all, assuming we don't have to give up draft capital to get him here.  Guessing it would need to be a DJ centric trade though.  

[JayBirdHawk]

CAN WE PLEEEEASE JUST MOVE ON!

 

 

[JeffS17]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

CAN WE PLEEEEASE JUST MOVE ON!

 

 

We probably have moved on if this report is true.  It is in line with what others here have been saying, which is he wants to go to Philly.