What would Woodson think?

[frosgrim]

Just a random musing, but what would Woodson think about last nights performance. The team was managed very differently from the way Woody would have managed that game. For example, JJ would have played around 40 minutes. Teague would never have come in. Who knows how Woody would have handled the hot handed Z?

Point is, the Hawks looked like a very different team last night. The offense was great to behold. It should get better and smoother as the season goes on. Frankly I was surprised at how good it actually performed.

Back to the orignal idea. One does wonder if Woodson watched and what his thoughts are on the new offense and the minute distributiuon?

[niremetal]

Just a random musing, but what would Woodson think about last nights performance. The team was managed very differently from the way Woody would have managed that game. For example, JJ would have played around 40 minutes. Teague would never have come in. Who knows how Woody would have handled the hot handed Z?

Point is, the Hawks looked like a very different team last night. The offense was great to behold. It should get better and smoother as the season goes on. Frankly I was surprised at how good it actually performed.

Back to the orignal idea. One does wonder if Woodson watched and what his thoughts are on the new offense and the minute distributiuon?

Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes. After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers :snowballfight:

[frosgrim]

Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes. After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers :snowballfight:

yeah, that pretty much sums it up!

[AUhawksfan]

Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes. After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers :snowballfight:

This

[Peoriabird]

Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes. After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers :snowballfight:

Yep!

[PlayaPat420]

Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes. After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers :snowballfight:

:laughing5: sad but true LoL

[jerrywest]

<br />Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes.  After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers  <img src='http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/public/style_emoticons/default/snowballfight.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':snowballfight:' /><br />

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Grand slam.

[Atlantaholic]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure last years team would have handled the depleted Grizzlies. Not saying it wasn't nice to see us actually play like a team on offense, but the Grizz missing 2/3 of their starting front-court are in now way, shape, or form any type of measuring stick. If we continue to play dynamically on offense we will be a force this year though, just like we were last year when we played unselfishly and pushed the tempo. Hopefully the new offense will allow us to avoid those absolutely ridiculous lulls on offense at the end of games and in the playoffs, which in truth is the very main reason we got rid of Woodson.

Too early to make any sort of assessment about our team, but so far so good :thumbsupsmileyanim:

[ryandauwalker]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure last years team would have handled the depleted Grizzlies. Not saying it wasn't nice to see us actually play like a team on offense, but the Grizz missing 2/3 of their starting front-court are in now way, shape, or form any type of measuring stick. If we continue to play dynamically on offense we will be a force this year though, just like we were last year when we played unselfishly and pushed the tempo. Hopefully the new offense will allow us to avoid those absolutely ridiculous lulls on offense at the end of games and in the playoffs, which in truth is the very main reason we got rid of Woodson.

Too early to make any sort of assessment about our team, but so far so good :thumbsupsmileyanim:

You might be right, but I think Drew's offense, philosophy, and coaching style is much more conducive to winning consistently rather than losing to the Bobcasts by 20 one day and beating the Celtics the next.

[Sothron]

Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes. After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers :snowballfight:

This. You also could throw in Sothron would be talking about how the cheapest coach in the NBA blew a winnable game too.

It was night and day watching that game. Drew actually coached like a real NBA coach. He kept the hot hands in, he made correct adjustments by putting Teague on Conley to slow him down, he left the bench in for long stretches when they were playing great and the lead was huge and he put the starters back in to seal the deal when the Grizz made a run in the third over the bench guys.

This was the first reasonable coaching job I've seen since Lenny was here. I was more impressed by how Drew looked than any player on the court. The team played the system, we made players accountable on defense by not switching to cover up their mistakes and if the player had trouble on defense he rode the pine while someone else did the job, the bench got a deserved run and just as importantly our starters got a short night which is a God send on a 82 game schedule.

Woodson probably was in shell shock seeing his squad actually handled by a professional NBA head coach.

[Wretch]

Zaza would have been pulled in the middle of his hot streak, Teague would have remained on the bench no matter how much Conley was torching us, and Josh Powell would have played about 5 minutes. After we blew our lead in the 3rd quarter and went on to lose the game, northcyde would deflect blame to anyone but Woodson, Diesel would find a way to blame Marvin, Hotlanta would condemn the entire team from Gearon on down to the towel boys, and everyone else would yell at Joe and Josh for missing too many jumpers :snowballfight:

Fo. Sheezy.

[BusBoyIsBack]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure last years team would have handled the depleted Grizzlies. Not saying it wasn't nice to see us actually play like a team on offense, but the Grizz missing 2/3 of their starting front-court are in now way, shape, or form any type of measuring stick. If we continue to play dynamically on offense we will be a force this year though, just like we were last year when we played unselfishly and pushed the tempo. Hopefully the new offense will allow us to avoid those absolutely ridiculous lulls on offense at the end of games and in the playoffs, which in truth is the very main reason we got rid of Woodson.

Too early to make any sort of assessment about our team, but so far so good :thumbsupsmileyanim:

Honestly I can't think of the last team the Hawks blew a team out on the road like that. And the way he actually let Jeff Teague play and more than just a spurt here or there, Larry Drew is the real deal

The skeptics need more games to become believers but don't say you weren't warned

[buckeye242424]

To answer the question of the thread... Woody is thinking he needed to hear and listen to the 56 coaches on his staff! Obviously, he didn't. How we could continue to follow the elementary offensive knowledge for a half a decade +, with the talent he had?? And he had an assistant that could implement something better to play to our talents as a team is extrememely confusing. Woody is thinking he didn't use his resources and LD is either thinking "I told ya so", or "I'm not taken seriously, so I won't speak up".....

Either way, if Woodson watched our first game, he's shaking his head...

[KB21]

This. You also could throw in Sothron would be talking about how the cheapest coach in the NBA blew a winnable game too.

It was night and day watching that game. Drew actually coached like a real NBA coach. He kept the hot hands in, he made correct adjustments by putting Teague on Conley to slow him down, he left the bench in for long stretches when they were playing great and the lead was huge and he put the starters back in to seal the deal when the Grizz made a run in the third over the bench guys.

This was the first reasonable coaching job I've seen since Lenny was here. I was more impressed by how Drew looked than any player on the court. The team played the system, we made players accountable on defense by not switching to cover up their mistakes and if the player had trouble on defense he rode the pine while someone else did the job, the bench got a deserved run and just as importantly our starters got a short night which is a God send on a 82 game schedule.

Woodson probably was in shell shock seeing his squad actually handled by a professional NBA head coach.

Larry did very well in his first outing, IMO. I like the fact that he adjusted to what Mike Conley was doing and shut him down in the third quarter. However, when we adjusted to take out Conley, Gay and Young gave us trouble. Our lack of perimeter defenders will end up biting us in the rear end at some point. It's something I harped on all offseason, but Atlanta completely failed to add anyone that can defend the small forward position. When Marvin isn't guarding the opposing small forward, whoever that player is will lite the Hawks up. Marvin is the only player on this team that can guard the other team's small forward. Lionel Hollins figured that out when Atlanta adjusted to what Conley was doing, and he made a run. Larry squelched the run, but he did it with some help from Hollins. Lionel decided to empty his bench late in the third quarter, and the Hawks went from having a 6 point lead to a 16 point lead.

Overall, good night. I like the motion and the ball movement. I disliked the turnovers. I disliked giving up around 1.06 points per possession.

[DrReality]

Think he managed the flow of the game and went with the strengths we showed rather than what Woody did: stick to the same thing regardless. Makes me think if Eistein's quote: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Hope Drew keeps it up.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

LOL @ all of this.

While I definitely liked how the Hawks looked last night, don't act like the previous 2 seasons in November were full of nightmares.

2008 we started 6 - 0, and was a Paul Pierce buzzer beater over Horford from being 7 - 0

2009 we started 7 - 2, with an impressive road win @ Portland.

And the teams in the past have NEVER had trouble with Memphis.

Woody is probably thinking . . . "I taught Larry and the boys well."

[TheNorthCydeRises]

My bad. I got a bad memory.

We actually started 11 - 2 last season, beating Portland twice, Denver and a big road win @ Boston.

The Hawks have very winnable road games in November, coupled with a few home games. I said when the schedule came out that the Hawks have a decent shot to be 14 - 4 going into December.

12 - 6 is maybe more realistic.

[jy23]

LOL @ all of this.

While I definitely liked how the Hawks looked last night, don't act like the previous 2 seasons in November were full of nightmares.

2008 we started 6 - 0, and was a Paul Pierce buzzer beater over Horford from being 7 - 0

2009 we started 7 - 2, with an impressive road win @ Portland.

And the teams in the past have NEVER had trouble with Memphis.

Woody is probably thinking . . . "I taught Larry and the boys well."

He didn't teach anybody anything....you may be the only person here that would even say some crap like that, that game looked nothing like any of our games with woodhead at the helm. Let me repeat the point that many have already harped on, I couldn't care less about the win loss totals that your going to bring up in defense of woody because at the end of the day it was clear that the guy had no idea what he was doing.....with the talent that we had on this team I could have coached them to 50 wins in the regular season...he had 2 all stars, another that should have been an all star and was up for defensive player of the year, you have a great shooting point guard and the best bench player in the league and yet he gets pushed to the limit by a team well below us in the talent category and they were also missing their best player.....if that team played us that well what could that mean :question: O WAIT, I'll tell you, we were madly outcoached...you get to another team that is by most accounts a more talented team and also a bad matchup but no way are they that much better than us but woodhead sure made it look that way....no adjustments whatsoever, rotations were elementary and offense was............................yep thats what it was

When you get to the playoffs and teams have the time to sit and watch everything you do and adjust their game to it thats when coaching counts and thats when Woody was at his worst....give it up man, Woody didnt teach a darn thing, definately not what we saw the other night.

But dont worry, we all were prepared for your woody defense post

[TheNorthCydeRises]

The quote was to reflect what Woody was thinking about the game. For any of you who think Woody would be questioning what he did with the Hawks, haven't watched him over the past 6 years. Woody was borderline arrogant in the belief of what he was doing, worked.

So why would people think anything other than Woody trying to take some credit for the continued success of the Hawks? In his mind, he helped them become winners . . . regardless of what the fan base says.

The fact is that if people are going to jump for joy over one regular season win, then Woody would come back at his naysayers and say that he went 6 - 0 and 11 - 2 to start the past 2 seasons.

If the playoffs are what we're going to judge the Hawks on, then we'll have to wait until the playoffs come around, to really see if Drew is the far superior coach.

Once again, I liked what I saw from the Hawks on opening night. And you won't catch me taking shots at Drew, regardless of how the Hawks play.

I've just never been a believer that Woody was/is the main problem in Atlanta.

The Hawks won a game that they were supposed to win. If they would've lost, I would've blamed the players more that I'd blame Drew. No way you let the Griz without Gasol and Zebo beat you.

I just hope the fan base doesn't turn on Drew if he loses a few games. God knows that opinions on the Hawks change like the wind around here.

And the issue with this team is still, and always has been DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING. If that improves as well, then Drew will definitely deserve props.

But I guess people forget that we scored 120 points in the season opener vs Indiana last year, then turned around and throttled Arenas and Washington.

I just keep it real around here.

[spotatl]

Honestly I can't think of the last team the Hawks blew a team out on the road like that

Seriously? Last season the Hawks beat Memphis on the road by 14 and that was a game where Gasol and Randolph both played 38 minutes.