Danny Ferry is awesome

[IheartVolt]

Right on Hootie!

I just read an article on BR today talking about how Smoove could be a stud in the right system with the right gets around him. Thank God that Ferry got rid of him and JJ as this system would not work with those two.

I honestly think that Joe would be fine with Bud and his system. That was Joe's problem when he was here. No offensive structure at all. Now smoove I agree 100%.

Take away Joe's massive contract and he would be a good piece here even now.

[OldTimeHawk]

Had we just removed Marvin, we could have gotten Korver.

 

Had we removed Marvin and Smoove, we could have gotten the main peices to our puzzle.

The Joe trade was a bust.

I guess you dont remember his contract being deemed around NBA circles as being untradable. I guess you dont remember his numbers declining.  I guess you dont see or just totally ignore that hes been a huge disappointment in Brooklyn.  Seems like sometimes dream teams on paper dont always add up to an NBA championship .

 

 Are you seriously going to say this team is worse off since Danny Ferry took over ??

[frosgrim]

The only thing I don't like about what Ferry has brought to the on-court product is that he's going to make me give money to the ASG. These Hawks are just too good and too much fun to watch to NOT go to Phillips. Sigh. Damn you Ferry!

[Diesel]

I will see what draft pick is this year but it's been a bust.

 

Yeah, I agree... Draft pick pending.

[Diesel]

No, we couldn't have. Korver was part of the Joe trade, we traded Marvin for Harris (fairly equal salaries). If we had retained Joe AND signed Lou, we definitely wouldn't have had the cap to pick up Sap and company.

 

I won't spend much time on this detour but these are the transactions that went with the Joe trade:

 

 

• Jordan Farmar was acquired by the Atlanta Hawks from the Brooklyn Nets in a trade.
• The Atlanta Hawks sent Joe Johnson in a trade to the Brooklyn Nets.
• Anthony Morrow was acquired by the Atlanta Hawks from the Brooklyn Nets in a trade.
• Johan Petro was acquired by the Atlanta Hawks from the Brooklyn Nets in a trade.
• Jordan Williams was acquired by the Atlanta Hawks from the Brooklyn Nets in a trade.
• DeShawn Stevenson was acquired by the Atlanta Hawks from the Brooklyn Nets in a sign-and-trade

 

 

 

This was done on July 11  we also traded Marvin for Harris on that same day.

 

On July 12, we acquired Lou to a multiyear contract.

On July 16, we acquired Korver in a trade.

 

KORVER WAS NOT PART OF THE JOE TRADE.

[Diesel]

False! Pistons ring a bell?

Who was their marquee star? Ben Wallace?

 

Let's see. Which Piston will be a Hall of famer?

 

I'll say Mr. Big Shot Chuancy Billups.

 

Before you argue.. let me give you his resume highlights:

 

Five All-Star appearances, three as a Piston and two with the hometown Nuggets. Named second-team All-Defense twice, second-team All-NBA once and third-team All-NBA twice. Having a lead role on a championship team — while being named Finals MVP — and also winning a gold medal with the United States in the 2010 world championships.

 

Then there's Ben Wallace.  While you joke at his existence, he was a 4 time allstar,  he held the rebounding title and the DPOY four times.  No human has done that but him.

 

 

What Players do we have on our roster that can compare to either of these two?

[Diesel]

I guess you dont remember his contract being deemed around NBA circles as being untradable. I guess you dont remember his numbers declining.  I guess you dont see or just totally ignore that hes been a huge disappointment in Brooklyn.  Seems like sometimes dream teams on paper dont always add up to an NBA championship .

 

 Are you seriously going to say this team is worse off since Danny Ferry took over ??

 

The numbers did decline Moving to a new system playing amoung several guys who needed touches.  However, I also noticed that his numbers improved with Pierce gone.  But that's nothing.  As far as untradable contract?  Sure.  However, we also had the right to cancel Joe's contract any time we wanted.  Did you forget that we could Amnesty Joe's contract?  The thing is all this Ferry dust out here has made a legion of people who don't see the big picture.  The big picture is that we traded Joe for Nothing and we still get this great promise of how cap flexibility is going to help us bring in good players.  When all I see us picking up are more guys who can play BU roles.  The system isn't working because Joe's gone.  The system is working because Woody is gone.  And Drew is gone. And Marvin is gone.  And Smoove is gone.

[MaceCase]

I won't spend much time on this detour but these are the transactions that went with the Joe trade:

 

 

This was done on July 11  we also traded Marvin for Harris on that same day.

 

On July 12, we acquired Lou to a multiyear contract.

On July 16, we acquired Korver in a trade.

 

KORVER WAS NOT PART OF THE JOE TRADE.

 

The Chicago Bulls' trade of forward Kyle Korver to the Atlanta Hawks in exchange for a trade exception and cash considerations became official on Monday, the team announced.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8171834/chicago-bulls-complete-trade-kyle-korver-atlanta-hawks

 

Where oh where do you think that TPE was generated that allowed the Hawks to acquire Kyle for a few nickels?

 

Here I'll help you:

 

The Hawks had a traded player exception acquired in the Joe Johnson trade to the Nets.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/07/bulls-trade-sharpshooter-kyle-korver-to-hawks-/1#.VJgWC_-sA

[hazer]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8171834/chicago-bulls-complete-trade-kyle-korver-atlanta-hawks

 

Where oh where do you think that TPE was generated that allowed the Hawks to acquire Kyle for a few nickels?

 

Here I'll help you:

 

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/07/bulls-trade-sharpshooter-kyle-korver-to-hawks-/1#.VJgWC_-sA

http://youtu.be/PMg2638WkjI

[Duff_Man]

The Joe Johnson trade was and will always be a massive win. 

[JETSET]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8171834/chicago-bulls-complete-trade-kyle-korver-atlanta-hawks

 

Where oh where do you think that TPE was generated that allowed the Hawks to acquire Kyle for a few nickels?

 

Here I'll help you:

 

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/07/bulls-trade-sharpshooter-kyle-korver-to-hawks-/1#.VJgWC_-sA

Well that didn't take long.

[benhillboy]

The Joe Johnson trade was and will always be a massive win.

There's no point in even trying to reason with someone who thinks otherwise. They're unreasonable.

[OldTimeHawk]

The numbers did decline Moving to a new system playing amoung several guys who needed touches.  However, I also noticed that his numbers improved with Pierce gone.  But that's nothing.  As far as untradable contract?  Sure.  However, we also had the right to cancel Joe's contract any time we wanted.  Did you forget that we could Amnesty Joe's contract?  The thing is all this Ferry dust out here has made a legion of people who don't see the big picture.  The big picture is that we traded Joe for Nothing and we still get this great promise of how cap flexibility is going to help us bring in good players.  When all I see us picking up are more guys who can play BU roles.  The system isn't working because Joe's gone.  The system is working because Woody is gone.  And Drew is gone. And Marvin is gone.  And Smoove is gone.

lets  see - we can trade him away , get their number 1 darft pick  and get expiring contracts or we can amnesty him and have to pay him but get the contract off the cap ?? Are you really proposing amnesty  was a better option??

[Diesel]

lets  see - we can trade him away , get their number 1 darft pick  and get expiring contracts or we can amnesty him and have to pay him but get the contract off the cap ?? Are you really proposing amnesty  was a better option??

 

IF you are claiming that Cap flexibility was all that then YES Amnesty has to be in the conversation. 

Secondly, what have we done with any of the things we have gotten from Brooklyn?

[Admin]

IF you are claiming that Cap flexibility was all that then YES Amnesty has to be in the conversation. 

Secondly, what have we done with any of the things we have gotten from Brooklyn?

 

Uhh we've gotten better. I guess these wins must be killing you but we're a far better team than your favorite Woody / JJ / IsoHawks teams were. 

[JETSET]

IF you are claiming that Cap flexibility was all that then YES Amnesty has to be in the conversation. 

Secondly, what have we done with any of the things we have gotten from Brooklyn?

So amnesty and having to pay his contract is better than not having to pay a dime for his contract, gaining two 2nd rounders and a possible lottery pick?

 

You can troll better than this Diesel.  I have faith in you.

[Atlantaholic]

Uhh we've gotten better. I guess these wins must be killing you but we're a far better team than your favorite Woody / JJ / IsoHawks teams were. 

 

What makes our current play even sweeter is the fact we had to endure Anti-basketball with Woodson for so long. Getting rid of all these head case "stars in their own minds" type of players and getting no nonsense hard working selfless good all around guys is doing things the right way. All thanks to Ferry.

[deester11]

Is this even a debate or do we just need some holiday SCROOGE type drama? Let's do it...the Hawks are...nah, I can't even do it. This team is awesome. 

[TheFuzz]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8171834/chicago-bulls-complete-trade-kyle-korver-atlanta-hawks

 

Where oh where do you think that TPE was generated that allowed the Hawks to acquire Kyle for a few nickels?

 

Here I'll help you:

 

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/07/bulls-trade-sharpshooter-kyle-korver-to-hawks-/1#.VJgWC_-sA

 

Thank you.

[Diesel]

Uhh we've gotten better. I guess these wins must be killing you but we're a far better team than your favorite Woody / JJ / IsoHawks teams were. 

 

That's Just it.  This is not a Woody/Drew Team.

Here's the real take home...

 

If you have the lowest paid coach in the league with the least amount of experience, then expect to have a sorry joker team.

 

Whereas a good coach can get a lot out of his players.