Do you think that a team can win a championship with Jeff Teague as their 1st or 2nd best player?

[Lurker]

Very simple question, take your bias out of it in answering this question and think seriously.

EDIT: This isn't even about Dennis Schröder, so don't start about him. If you want my opinion, I think he has to be at most, the third best player on a championship team.

Edited June 4, 2016 by Lurker

[JTB]

Easy to answer...No...but then again we don't have a number one option so its no knock on teague cause none of our players can fit that role. Sap in my opinion is the only player on the team capable of possibly being that 2nd best player on the team that can win a championship and my be slightly pushing it with that.

[Hawkmoor]

In the right city  with the right team, yes.  Teague is a allstar when he WANTS to be.  Let a coach like Lionel Hollins get a hold of him and see how great he would become.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

33 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

In the right city  with the right team, yes.  Teague is a allstar when he WANTS to be.  Let a coach like Lionel Hollins get a hold of him and see how great he would become.

Is Teague a borderline Hall of Fame player?  Because that's the minimum requirement in this league, when you talk about winning a title.

[benhillboy]

Uhh, he's the third, arguably fourth best player for the Hawks.  To answer the question, hell to the muthaf&@kin nah.

I can't see a role for him on any Champioship squad.  Hell, I've been saying for years Chris Paul isnt a Finals-level starter, but he could determine who wins it all by leading a second unit for a contender. 

Teams force Jeff to take jumpers and he's a mediocre defender at best.  That's counterproductive to winning.  Ramon Sessions has more value as a utility reserve to a contender than he has.  Quiet as kept the Wizards were a better team with Wall sidelined.  Livingston was declared dead but you see the value of the skills he brings to the table.  Jeremy Lin is more of a bench building block than Blink due to his size and sometimes misplaced aggressiveness.

 Jeff's calling is a Sixth Man candidate for a pretty good playoff team.  Think Bobby Jackson as the Kings were falling from the top.  I'm looking at Conley or Dennis as the primary young  guys to play general of a Championship team.  Dennis has already shown more willingness and skill to direct teammates on both ends.  But he must have a damn good 2 who can hit the three and handle, a rim protecting C, and veteran backup with size to account for his weaknesses.  Jeff's main weakness of incinsistent effort and focus cannot be accounted for.

Edited June 5, 2016 by benhillboy

[NBASupes]

If LeBron is the best player, yeah

[Diesel]

Hey Knee Jerker.

 

Can you name a PG other than Steph Curry that you can put on any team as the 1st or 2nd best player and win a championship?

[Lurker]

11 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Hey Knee Jerker.

If I'm a knee jerker, your new name is an Iron Hot Taker. Nice job of spinning this around! It's clear that you believe Jeff Teague is a cornerstone piece, why?

Edited June 5, 2016 by Lurker

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, Lurker said:

If I'm a knee jerker, your new name is an Iron Hot Taker. Nice job of spinning this around! It's clear that you believe Jeff Teague is a cornerstone piece, why?

I guess that means that you have no answer?

I would think it's clear that I believe that the only PG that fits the qualification is Steph Curry.  Outside your world of Heroball and NBA2k16 fantasies.  Real Basketball that's played in the NBA is a team game.   You lose sight of that when you have a controller in your hand and you're able to control the flow of the game yourself.   Real basketball doesn't work that way.  That's why D12 Nash and Kobe couldn't get to the playoffs.  That's why Barkley, Pippen, Hakeem, and Drexler couldn't win a title.   That's why Lebron, Wade, and Bosh couldn't beat the lowly Mavericks.    When you forget that basketball is a team game... then you're forced to admit that the childlike question you asked can't work for any PG.

I mean... Look at Westbrook.  He's been the 1st or 2nd on a very strong.. stacked team.  NO RINGS...

Look at Wall... No Rings.

Look at Rondo.. he's never been the first or second scoring option and if he were.. NO RINGS...

Even Steph Curry.... You still have to put him on the right team to get a ring.

 

 

[Hawkmoor]

56 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Is Teague a borderline Hall of Fame player?  Because that's the minimum requirement in this league, when you talk about winning a title.

Im STILL trying to remember off the top of my head who the point guard was down in Miami when Bron and Wade got those two chips.

[Lurker]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Real Basketball that's played in the NBA is a team game.

The only teams that win championships have a borderline HoF player in addition to playing team basketball.

Who is that borderline HoF player on this team? I'll wait... But then again, you admitted you are fine with being in playoff basketball constantly even if your team has no chance at a title.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Lurker

[Diesel]

11 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

9 minutes ago, Lurker said:

The only teams that win championships have a borderline HoF player in addition to playing team basketball.

Who is that borderline HoF player on this team? I'll wait... But then again, you admitted you are fine with being in playoff basketball constantly even if your team has no chance at a title.

Im STILL trying to remember off the top of my head who the point guard was down in Miami when Bron and Wade got those two chips.

It was the kid from Kansas.

You say that Championship teams have borderline HoF players in addition to playing a team basketball?

I agree.  That's true most of the time.   However,  let's take Detroit for instance.  When the later version of Detroit won the title.. Who was there HoF quality player?

I'll wait.

You see.. you failed to understand that Detroit was a team that stayed in contention, made smart trades and had the right situation at the right time to win a championship.   They even traded a first to us (Josh Smith) that helped them get the final piece to their championship puzzle.

What's your plan... let me remember... OH that right.. we're going out and signing Durant...  blasé blasé blasé... NBA2k16 fantasies.

 

 

 

[Lurker]

13 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You see.. you failed to understand that Detroit was a team that stayed in contention, made smart trades and had the right situation at the right time to win a championship.

 That method isn't going to work in today's age though, Mr. Iron Hot Taker. You're trying to be the Pistons that were as close you can to a team that didn't have a borderline HoF'er but won it all anyway (except they did have one player that was close, Ben Wallace)? You have to get absolutely LOCKDOWN defense, even more lockdown than this season's Hawks, and that ain't happening with the personnel the Hawks have and the rule changes, sorry but that's the truth.

If you don't have a borderline HoF'er, you have about a 1% chance at winning a title. Not trying to be that 1%.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Lurker

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, Lurker said:

 That method isn't going to work in today's age though, Mr. Iron Hot Taker. You're trying to be the Pistons that were as close you can to a team that didn't have a borderline HoF'er but won it all anyway (except they did have one player that was close, Ben Wallace)? You have to get absolutely LOCKDOWN defense, even more lockdown than this season's Hawks, and that ain't happening with the personnel the Hawks have and the rule changes, sorry but that's the truth.

If you don't have a borderline HoF'er, you have no chance at winning a title in 1 out of 1000 times. I'm not trying to be the one time.

From reading your past few post, I'm 1000% sure that you have no clue of what will work.  NONE.    You just proposed trading our best player for a shot at a draft pick.   Uhm,,,, Yeah,

Why not pick up Olowakhandi and Harold Miner and Roy Marble while you're at it.  You're not old enough Lurker.   That's why you believe what you believe.   Here's the thing... Just go ahead and get your jammas.  Brush your teeth, Wash your face,  take your vitamins, say your prayers... and if you have any teeth that have come out today, leave them under your pillow for the Tooth Ferry.  Time to go Night Night.

 

 

[Lurker]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

From reading your past few post, I'm 1000% sure that you have no clue of what will work.  NONE.    You just proposed trading our best player for a shot at a draft pick.   Uhm,,,, Yeah,

Why not pick up Olowakhandi and Harold Miner and Roy Marble while you're at it.  You're not old enough Lurker.   That's why you believe what you believe.   Here's the thing... Just go ahead and get your jammas.  Brush your teeth, Wash your face,  take your vitamins, say your prayers... and if you have any teeth that have come out today, leave them under your pillow for the Tooth Ferry.  Time to go Night Night.

 

 

No, you're talking to a young adult who's spewing the 100% truth here. I've seen this story before with the Braves and they were right. The 2013 Braves were a fluke and they knew it and knew to tear it down. The 2015 Hawks were a fluke and odds are, regression will continue if they try to keep the core together to make runs.

The odds are very good that that ECF appearance was one out of nowhere that will not happen again.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Lurker

[kurupt]

Zitat

I agree.  That's true most of the time.   However,  let's take Detroit for instance.  When the later version of Detroit won the title.. Who was there HoF quality player?

I'll wait.

The Pistons are as close to the model the Hawks may want to follow as it gets. I see only one problem:

They did have players that were special and their defense was all-time great. There were no superstars overall. But Ben Wallace was the best defender / rebounder in a league that had guys like young Dwight Howard and Shaq in it (amongst others). Rasheed Wallace was as talented as a player could be and also an elite defender.

Both Horford and Millsap are already "poor mans versions" of Rasheed Wallace and the Hawks have nothing special about them right now (it was Korvers shooting a season ago).

The Hawks are a ~54 win team. In a good year, they can  win 60, in a bad one they win only 48.

Edited June 5, 2016 by kurupt

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

Nope. Hawks are full of 2nd and 3rd best players and then role guys. Hell, Chris Paul was the best PG in the league for years in NO and the Hornets never did shit with him. Now you asking if a team could win a title with Teague as their #1 or #2 option? HA!

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[Guest]

No.

And the Detroit comparison is way off base. They had a defensive and rebounding specialist in Wallace,Ben. They had a guy in Rasheed who could elevate his game on both ends when needed. And finally, a PG that was a LEADER vocally and by his play on the court. He was never afraid of the big moment.  We don't  have a LEADER.

[NBASupes]

Our team is good for what they are and our bench is superior to the Pistons but our starting five isn't Detroit.  Horford and Sap are damn good like Wallace's and they are underrated as well. But the difference is RIP and Prince is better than Bazemore and Korver by a mile. Also Teague is more talented than Billups but Billups was a leader.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

14 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

Im STILL trying to remember off the top of my head who the point guard was down in Miami when Bron and Wade got those two chips.

Lebron.

Now the guy that actually occupied the PG position, waa Mario Chalmers.

But Lebron was the true PG.