OKC and Atlanta in talks - Dennis and Muscala for Melo - Deal Done (Not Fake News)

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

??  This may be Schlenk's best trade.  We open up $30M in cap space for 2019 & 2020 and get a future first.

Ya this is an excellent non sexy trade that will pay dividends down the line.

[DBac]

Just now, AHF said:

??  This may be Schlenk's best trade.  We open up $30M in cap space for 2019 & 2020 and get a future first.

Getting Dennis off the roster, clearing the cap space. Good

 

Getting a fake first round pick way down the line is bleh (and I don't care for Justin Anderson). I'd be overjoyed even if it was just top 5 protected. "Had" might've been too reactionary.

[EazyRoc]

3 minutes ago, DBac said:

Lotto protected first four years down the line. Good god.. we've been had again.

 

 

God I hate that. Should’ve walked away from the table until they got down to Top 3 or Top 5 protections.

[thecampster]

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

??  This may be Schlenk's best trade.  We open up $30M in cap space for 2019 & 2020 and get a future first.

Yep...saw this coming....it is brilliant.  Now we have to show potential this year to attract F/A next.

[NBASupes]

 

[lethalweapon3]

auf Wiedersehen!

Let's Go Hawks!

~lw3

[JayBirdHawk]

 

[thecampster]

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Westbrook is signed through 2023, and Paul George is signed through 2022, both with player options that they will most certainly take.  So, this means the chances of OKC being in the lottery are slim, but the chances of them picking in the 15-19 range are pretty high.

Good take!

[kg01]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

You did say that Philly could use Moose. 

I'm a bawse.

Sorry, there's a 'pay yo'self on the back' kinda theme going on ITT.

[Spud2nique]

5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

You did say that Philly could use Moose. 

Wait who said Philly could use Moose?

[EazyRoc]

Maybe the play is to watch how closely Cousins plays and behaves in Golden State ? Schlenk uses his network to feel DeMarcus out and how he would effect us here ? Maybe the play is Kawhi ? I’m interested who exactly are targets will be with all that cap space.

[NBASupes]

16 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Okay so I've seen a few posts over a few threads that don't seem to understand the Luxury Tax and how it's applied. Here is the chart from the cbafaq:

Team salary above tax level		Non-repeater		Repeater
Lower	Upper	Tax rate	Incremental maximum	Tax rate	Incremental maximum
$0	$4,999,999	$1.50	$7.5 million	$2.50	$12.5 million
$5,000,000	$9,999,999	$1.75	$8.75 million	$2.75	$13.75 million
$10,000,000	$14,999,999	$2.50	$12.5 million	$3.50	$17.5 million
$15,000,000	$19,999,999	$3.25	$16.25 million	$4.25	$21.25 million
$20,000,000	N/A	$3.75, and increasing $.50 for each additional $5 million.	N/A	$4.75, and increasing $.50 for each additional $5 million.	N/A

 

So currently OKC is functionally $33.753 million over the LT and are repeat offenders. Here is their current penalty.

$12.5 million + $13.75 million + $17.5 million + $21.25 million + $23.75 million + $26.25 million +$21.6 million.  Their total current penalty is approximately $136.6 million. 

This is why OKC is far more motivated to make this deal. This is is also why they want to take back the bare minimum salary possible in any trade.  Assuming the Hawks waive their non-guaranteed contracts to make this deal work with just Moose + Dennis. The salary savings is $7.428 million. But the LT savings is $21.6 million + $19.28 million = $40.88 million for a total saving of $48.3 million.

So here's the deal, trading Carmelo to Atlanta for Moose and Schröder saves OKC  $48.3 million dollars in salary and LT.

Now lets pretend they can find a team who will trade them 2 scrubs (they need the roster charges) for Dennis who cost $5 million total in salary. That saves them an additional $10.5 million in salary but an additional 48 million in LT for a total savings of $97 million in LT + salary savings.

This is A) why they are trying to find a 3rd team to pass Dennis, B) why its taking so long and C) why its OKC that is giving the Hawks compensation for finding a team for Dennis.  Both the Hawks and the prospective 3rd teams know they have the Thunder by the proverbial marbles here.  Every dollar OKC saves in this deal is approximately $5 in real savings.  Save $20 million in salary, save $100 million in reality.  Find some crazy way to shed $34 million and you drop out of the LT cycle and start over.

 

If you roll back a few years, a few of us were predicting this when the salary cap took the huge leap forward. This was why a few of us were so adamant about not giving Al the max.

@thecampsterfor MVP

[kg01]

 

[aali34]

5 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Westbrook is signed through 2023, and Paul George is signed through 2022, both with player options that they will most certainly take.  So, this means the chances of OKC being in the lottery are slim, but the chances of them picking in the 15-19 range are pretty high.

I actually like this a lot better than the potential Faried deal which could have resulted in more years and a lower pick.

[AHF]

6 minutes ago, thecampster said:

If we actually got Justin Anderson and a 1st (of any sort), this is a monster win. We only had one true SF on the roster in Prince.  Remember also this deal was facilitated by getting Lin for nothing.  Which means it Lin + Anderson for Moose + Dennis + Cordinier.  In the 2 deals the Hawks get a 1st and 2nd.  Still think he loses trades?  It was a process and an obvious one at that.

How did the Lin trade facilitate this?

[KB21]

Also, 2022 is the earliest OKC can trade their 1st.

[Spud2nique]

Just now, kg01 said:

 

2 ? for you!

[kg01]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

Wait who said Philly could use Moose?

The bawse.

I hope we flip Anderson somewheres.  I've always been underwhelmed by him.

[thecampster]

Just now, AHF said:

How did the Lin trade facilitate this?

Gave us the backup point guard / mentor to afford to let Dennis go.

Just now, thecampster said:

Gave us the backup point guard / mentor to afford to let Dennis go.

not financially

 

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

The bawse.

I hope we flip Anderson somewheres.  I've always been underwhelmed by him.

2 ? and a golf ? forDiesel lol