OKC and Atlanta in talks - Dennis and Muscala for Melo - Deal Done (Not Fake News)

[Peoriabird]

25 minutes ago, AHF said:

This was first reported by Mitch Lawrence of the Sporting News, right?

Is the sporting news even relevant anymore?

[Peoriabird]

23 minutes ago, EazyRoc said:

Because OKC may want what the other team was willing to offer for Dennis, but we were not.

So we prefer nothing for Dennis over what another team can give OKC

[Peoriabird]

16 minutes ago, High5 said:

@Peoriabird lives in a world where Brad Rowland a.k.a. Satan controls the national media with his 6,201 Twitter followers and is trying to destroy the Hawks from within. 

I'm saying that Brad Rowland and the AJC spread their garbage to the local fans.  There is no reporting of this in the National Media...Not even in the OKC media

[Peoriabird]

25 minutes ago, High5 said:

@Peoriabird lives in a world where Brad Rowland a.k.a. Satan controls the national media with his 6,201 Twitter followers and is trying to destroy the Hawks from within. 

And Guess who is responding in Mitch Lawrence's twitter thread announcing the trade.  None other than Brad Rowland.

 

[kg01]

7 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

And Guess who is responding in Mitch Lawrence's twitter thread announcing the trade.  None other than Brad Rowland.

 

Wait, what are you railing about here?  You think this is a made-up trade?

I don't think it's made-up, but I said at the beginning that we should proceed with caution considering Lawrence was the same dude that said Lin was getting traded for sMelo.

Could be a legit rumor, could be not (huh?).  I don't think it's flat-out made up though.

[AHF]

3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

And Guess who is responding in Mitch Lawrence's twitter thread announcing the trade.  None other than Brad Rowland.

 

If Rowland responds to a Woj post does that make it irrelevant?

 

The national media is discussing this, BTW:

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24132629&ex_cid=espnapi_public

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/hawks-thunder-discussing-carmelo-anthony-dennis-Schröder-trade/

https://nesn.com/2018/07/nba-rumors-thunder-hawks-in-trade-talks-on-carmelo-anthony-dennis-Schröder/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2786693-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-hawks-in-talks-over-deal-including-dennis-Schröder

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/hawks-thunder-have-discussed-carmelo-anthony.html

Etc.

 

It may amount to nothing but if national media outlets are discussing this why wouldn't Hawks fans?

[JTB]

17 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I'm saying that Brad Rowland and the AJC spread their garbage to the local fans.  There is no reporting of this in the National Media...Not even in the OKC media

Don’t think anyone is taking the rumor that serious to begin with but I didn’t know we had to wait for National media to inform us on what’s true and what’s a rumor ....news to me that the national media get everything right .

[JTB]

Just now, AHF said:

If Rowland responds to a Woj post does that make it irrelevant?

 

The national media is discussing this, BTW:

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24132629&ex_cid=espnapi_public

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/hawks-thunder-discussing-carmelo-anthony-dennis-Schröder-trade/

https://nesn.com/2018/07/nba-rumors-thunder-hawks-in-trade-talks-on-carmelo-anthony-dennis-Schröder/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2786693-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-hawks-in-talks-over-deal-including-dennis-Schröder

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/hawks-thunder-have-discussed-carmelo-anthony.html

Etc.

 

It may amount to nothing but if national media outlets are discussing this why wouldn't Hawks fans?

Exactly it’s not a big deal to discuss any rumor regardless if it’s smoke or fire. 

Everyone is free discuss rumors especially in the off season as it’s the best most interesting news that can be discussed ...some actually has legs and play out.

personally I could care less about what we do with Dennis but just to prove a point to @Peoriabird that rumors can have legs and it don’t have to come from national media  I hope all of this is true and we get rid of Dennis ass (an I actually like Dennis but I can’t imagine the hawks really keeping him here with all that money tied into the pg position anyways)

[Peoriabird]

14 minutes ago, AHF said:

If Rowland responds to a Woj post does that make it irrelevant?

 

The national media is discussing this, BTW:

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24132629&ex_cid=espnapi_public

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/hawks-thunder-discussing-carmelo-anthony-dennis-Schröder-trade/

https://nesn.com/2018/07/nba-rumors-thunder-hawks-in-trade-talks-on-carmelo-anthony-dennis-Schröder/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2786693-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-hawks-in-talks-over-deal-including-dennis-Schröder

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/hawks-thunder-have-discussed-carmelo-anthony.html

Etc.

 

It may amount to nothing but if national media outlets are discussing this why wouldn't Hawks fans?

They are just quoting that one guy...There is no follow through or extensive research on the topic.  We'll see whether this guy knows what he is talking about in the coming days

[EazyRoc]

33 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

So we prefer nothing for Dennis over what another team can give OKC

No. That’s not what I’m saying. Just like with a lot of 3 team trades..OKC has what we want, 3rd team gets what we have to offer, OKC gets what they want from the 3rd team. Does that make sense  ?

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

That will come soon.  The Hawks just waived Jaylen Morris, which helps create some salary room for a deal like this to happen.

Chris Vivlamore‏Verified account @CVivlamoreAJC

Jaylen Morris' rep asked for his release after being informed he would not make opening day roster. Now looking for contract with another NBA team (maybe two-way). If not, there are several opportunities overseas.

 

LOL!  Told y'all there are a lot of conspiracy theorist on this board!

[thecampster]

7 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Fan sites like this one mostly.

Sounds like my Melo trade from a few weeks ago.  Melo plus asset for Baze and Moose. Hawks buy out Melo, OKC gets two players that actially fill a need and saves a  little luxury tax for OKC.

Pretty much, I spent about 2 hours reading forums and other crap. Tried to filter out the insane and my post is just a very large collection of the thoughts of the most sane posters, tweets, etc.

[Jungle Jack]

Mentioned the possibility of Melo coming here somewhat spuriously a while back.  Still makes sense both for Melo and bringing a major name to ATL for ticket sales.

[Spud2nique]

38 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

And Guess who is responding in Mitch Lawrence's twitter thread announcing the trade.  None other than Brad Rowland.

 

Brad Rowland and his good time buddies drinking beers? and eating pizza ? and making podcasts in their “spare” time. @kg01 if we start this thing we gotta do BBQ ? all the way broseph. We need a few members to recruit and I’m hoping they on board with some bbq as well otherwise it ain’t cool.

 

Ps Until the trade is finalized, I’m not going to believe Brad or the good Doc fixing boo boos all day. Or Viv..lol can’t believe I missed that dude. That dude reminds me of that the producer of the Ellen show that weird dude Andy. Like dude that trips over his own foot. Can we get Sekou and his “skinny chubby” self back on the set. 

? I think that’s everyone. Yup. I might have missed a Terrence here and there but u dig if u dig dog ?.

[AHF]

21 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Chris Vivlamore‏Verified account @CVivlamoreAJC

Jaylen Morris' rep asked for his release after being informed he would not make opening day roster. Now looking for contract with another NBA team (maybe two-way). If not, there are several opportunities overseas.

 

LOL!  Told y'all there are a lot of conspiracy theorist on this board!

Didn't you just say Vivlamore was an unreliable source who should be ignored?

[Jody23]

 

 

[kg01]

Just now, Jody23 said:

 

 

Somebody owes a lotta apologies. 

[Thomas]

Reality show in the works with this thread, maybe a journalism conspiracy style show.

"OKC and Atlanta in talks - Dennis and Muscala for Melo"

 

[HawkItus]

Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schröder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.

[thecampster]

Okay so I've seen a few posts over a few threads that don't seem to understand the Luxury Tax and how it's applied. Here is the chart from the cbafaq:

Team salary above tax level		Non-repeater		Repeater
Lower	Upper	Tax rate	Incremental maximum	Tax rate	Incremental maximum
$0	$4,999,999	$1.50	$7.5 million	$2.50	$12.5 million
$5,000,000	$9,999,999	$1.75	$8.75 million	$2.75	$13.75 million
$10,000,000	$14,999,999	$2.50	$12.5 million	$3.50	$17.5 million
$15,000,000	$19,999,999	$3.25	$16.25 million	$4.25	$21.25 million
$20,000,000	N/A	$3.75, and increasing $.50 for each additional $5 million.	N/A	$4.75, and increasing $.50 for each additional $5 million.	N/A

 

So currently OKC is functionally $33.753 million over the LT and are repeat offenders. Here is their current penalty.

$12.5 million + $13.75 million + $17.5 million + $21.25 million + $23.75 million + $26.25 million +$21.6 million.  Their total current penalty is approximately $136.6 million. 

This is why OKC is far more motivated to make this deal. This is is also why they want to take back the bare minimum salary possible in any trade.  Assuming the Hawks waive their non-guaranteed contracts to make this deal work with just Moose + Dennis. The salary savings is $7.428 million. But the LT savings is $21.6 million + $19.28 million = $40.88 million for a total saving of $48.3 million.

So here's the deal, trading Carmelo to Atlanta for Moose and Schröder saves OKC  $48.3 million dollars in salary and LT.

Now lets pretend they can find a team who will trade them 2 scrubs (they need the roster charges) for Dennis who cost $5 million total in salary. That saves them an additional $10.5 million in salary but an additional 48 million in LT for a total savings of $97 million in LT + salary savings.

This is A) why they are trying to find a 3rd team to pass Dennis, B) why its taking so long and C) why its OKC that is giving the Hawks compensation for finding a team for Dennis.  Both the Hawks and the prospective 3rd teams know they have the Thunder by the proverbial marbles here.  Every dollar OKC saves in this deal is approximately $5 in real savings.  Save $20 million in salary, save $100 million in reality.  Find some crazy way to shed $34 million and you drop out of the LT cycle and start over.

 

If you roll back a few years, a few of us were predicting this when the salary cap took the huge leap forward. This was why a few of us were so adamant about not giving Al the max.