Trae Young - The Man, The Viper, and The Prosecution aka The MVP aka Ice Trae

[Spud2nique]

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Sounds like a renegotiation is in order.  @NBASupes come to the table and take your medicine.  I think the punishment should be until and including the month of the draft at least.

Who's with me?!

No, I'm not coming for your mod-job, AH.  But ... I mean, let's just say you're lucky this thang isn't an elected position. 

(I'm kidding.  No one vote for me as mod.  That would be a total catastrophe.)

Oops too late I voted! 

[AHF]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Sounds like a renegotiation is in order.  @NBASupes come to the table and take your medicine.  I think the punishment should be until and including the month of the draft at least.

Who's with me?!

No, I'm not coming for your mod-job, AH.  But ... I mean, let's just say you're lucky this thang isn't an elected position. 

(I'm kidding.  No one vote for me as mod.  That would be a total catastrophe.)

I'm not looking to renegotiate the bet.  Asking nothing more than Supes live up to it.  He already has on the first one so I've got no qualms that he'll honor the bargain on this one.  We'll enjoy a month of it and hopefully all be celebrating the newest star addition to the roster (whether by trade or draft, etc.).

[JayBirdHawk]

Every NBA Team's 2020 Free-Agency Sales Pitch

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We have a Stephen Curry/Steve Nash hybrid who loves to pass and will command your defender's attention.

It's not hard to see why a free agent might want to play with Trae Young. He should be at the center of any pitch from the Atlanta Hawks.

The soon-to-be third-year guard has a gravitational pull on defenses thanks to shooting range that extends well beyond the three-point line. His 73 makes from 28-plus feet trailed only Damian Lillard's 86, and he has vision, flair and a willingness to pass reminiscent of the seven-seconds-or-less version of Nash.

Put both traits together and you have one of the most productive young players of all time. Young's 29.6 points per game are tied for the seventh-highest mark in league history for an NBA sophomore. His 9.3 assists are tied for the 10th-highest average for a second-year man.

It shouldn't be hard to see why a free agent would want to play with someone who is on track to be a legitimate superstar point guard.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895455-every-nba-teams-2020-free-agency-sales-pitch

 

[Spud2nique]

24 minutes ago, AHF said:

honor the bargain

A man of his word. I like it. 

[kg01]

52 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

A man of his word. I like it. 

Hmmm, do we have any other folks who've chosen not to honor their bets.  Hmmm ...

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

Hmmm, do we have any other folks who've chosen not to honor their bets.  Hmmm ...

comon caged one I’ve been let out by wifey for good behavior (apparently I pissed everyone off last week), I’m not naming names. I wanna keep it peaceful everywhere all the time.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Whatever this means, Trae is just far ahead everyone else, next up JC.

 

 

[AHF]

46 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Whatever this means, Trae is just far ahead everyone else, next up JC.

 

 

RAPTOR is one of Supes' favorite metrics.  The story it is telling is pretty common sense with Trae.  I think everyone knows he was our best player this year and that it wasn't close.

[NBASupes]

58 minutes ago, AHF said:

RAPTOR is one of Supes' favorite metrics.  The story it is telling is pretty common sense with Trae.  I think everyone knows he was our best player this year and that it wasn't close.

Its also very telling that player impact metrics love JC and think he's on equal footing to Trae. Both are considered top 50 players but player impact metrics. Player impact metrics see Trae as a While winning impact stats see Trae as a top 15-25 player. All metrics see Trae as a top 5 offensive player in the NBA. But winning impact stats see as a bottom 10 defender while player impact sees him as the worst defensive player in the NBA. For JC, player impact metrics are much higher on him than winning impact metrics. They see JC as a top 25 offensive player while winning impact metrics top 150-160 winning impact guy aka, an non impact player if he plays a major role. No surprise, he is listed with Julius Randle, DeAndre Jordan, and Myles Turner who are favorably comparable players to John. 

My belief is he's an empty stats guy putting up great numbers on a bad team. He's an ideal #4 option and at his best defending the 5 and playing all over on offense at the 4 as an elite movement specialist. 

Trae's story speaks for himself. Everyone sees him as a top 5 offensive player right now impact wise. But questions are, is he a #1 option or not is very real but I think he is. His defense must improve. Winning impact metrics are hard on him and player impact metrics just hate him on defense and there is a lot of reasons as to why as well. Overall, it was a tough season for us but I am optimistic next season. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

19 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Its also very telling that player impact metrics love JC and think he's on equal footing to Trae. Both are considered top 50-75 players by player impact metrics. Player impact metrics see Trae as a top 50-75 NBA player while winning impact stats see Trae as a top 15-25 player. All metrics see Trae as a top 5 offensive player in the NBA. But winning impact stats see as a bottom 10 defender while player impact sees him as the worst defensive player in the NBA. For JC, player impact metrics are much higher on him than winning impact metrics. They see JC as a top 25 offensive player while winning impact metrics top 150-160 winning impact guy aka, an non impact player if he plays a major role. No surprise, he is listed with Julius Randle, DeAndre Jordan, and Myles Turner who are favorably comparable players to John. 

My belief is John is an empty stats guy putting up great numbers on a bad team. He's an ideal #4 option on a contender and at his best defending the 5 and playing all over on offense at the 4 as an elite movement specialist. A player I do see as someone that can help a winning team in the ideal role.

Trae's story speaks for himself. Everyone sees him as a top 5 offensive player right now impact wise. But questions are, is he a #1 option or not is very real but I think he is. His defense must improve. Winning impact metrics are hard on him and player impact metrics just hate him on defense and there is a lot of reasons as to why as well. Overall, it was a tough season for us but I am optimistic next season. 

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Edited June 22, 2020 by NBASupes

[AHF]

Bear in mind, RAPTOR loved JC coming into last season.  He pretty badly underperformed the RAPTOR projections last season.  He could rebound in that metric in the future, particularly given the limited sample size and inconsistent roster we had last year.

[NBASupes]

10 minutes ago, AHF said:

Bear in mind, RAPTOR loved JC coming into last season.  He pretty badly underperformed the RAPTOR projections last season.  He could rebound in that metric in the future, particularly given the limited sample size and inconsistent roster we had last year.

It did love JC last year. That is true. What you also have to take into account Trae/JC impact with the PnR was tops in the 2nd half his Trae's rookie year. He was so critical, when he played, JC had us at 8th for offensive rating and without JC, 30th. Yes, 30th. LP said this year would be extremely difficult to replicate that success due to teams understanding of what we do and Trae's PnR abilities as well as JC natural fit with Trae. He was right, teams sold out on the PnR and we really didn't have an effective 2nd strategy. At least in year 2 of their tandem. We did see JC improve a number of aspects on offense which helped when teams took away the PnR stuff so he clearly improved but this is what happens in the NBA. 

[AHF]

20 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It did love JC last year. That is true. What you also have to take into account Trae/JC impact with the PnR was tops in the 2nd half his Trae's rookie year. He was so critical, when he played, JC had us at 8th for offensive rating and without JC, 30th. Yes, 30th. LP said this year would be extremely difficult to replicate that success due to teams understanding of what we do and Trae's PnR abilities as well as JC natural fit with Trae. He was right, teams sold out on the PnR and we really didn't have an effective 2nd strategy. At least in year 2 of their tandem. We did see JC improve a number of aspects on offense which helped when teams took away the PnR stuff so he clearly improved but this is what happens in the NBA. 

I'm optimistic that it will be better next year because I think he'll remain a very important part of our offense and then we will have a more complete team on the floor which will make it more difficult for them to sell out on the PnR which should make it a bit more effective again.  His continued improvement also should flow through the numbers at some point.

[JayBirdHawk]

29 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It did love JC last year. That is true. What you also have to take into account Trae/JC impact with the PnR was tops in the 2nd half his Trae's rookie year. He was so critical, when he played, JC had us at 8th for offensive rating and without JC, 30th. Yes, 30th. LP said this year would be extremely difficult to replicate that success due to teams understanding of what we do and Trae's PnR abilities as well as JC natural fit with Trae. He was right, teams sold out on the PnR and we really didn't have an effective 2nd strategy. At least in year 2 of their tandem. We did see JC improve a number of aspects on offense which helped when teams took away the PnR stuff so he clearly improved but this is what happens in the NBA. 

Of course teams sold out on the PnR - we had 2 rookies starting, one of which, Cam, was really really bad on offense. Alex Len gave us nothing, zero, zilch.

[NBASupes]

19 minutes ago, AHF said:

I'm optimistic that it will be better next year because I think he'll remain a very important part of our offense and then we will have a more complete team on the floor which will make it more difficult for them to sell out on the PnR which should make it a bit more effective again.  His continued improvement also should flow through the numbers at some point.

That's true, others being better around those two will ultimately help those two

[NBASupes]

12 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Of course teams sold out on the PnR - we had 2 rookies starting, one of which, Cam, was really really bad on offense. Alex Len gave us nothing, zero, zilch.

I would say teams will continue to sell out to it even with their improvement. No one wants to give up PPP on it like its the 98 Jazz. 

[AHF]

36 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I would say teams will continue to sell out to it even with their improvement. No one wants to give up PPP on it like its the 98 Jazz. 

We will have to show that other action is a real threat before we get significant adjustments but even being something more like competent will make teams give pause before selling out to the degree they did last year.

[Peoriabird]

6 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Whatever this means, Trae is just far ahead everyone else, next up JC.

 

 

Yeah, It was Vince Carter's fault!