2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[thecampster]

37 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Lol...This is precisely why @thecampster said he wasn't posting that much. But I want to thank him for the information.

Truth is pain, but its always good!

[JayBirdHawk]

Mmmmmmmm.......here we go!

 

Which player has flown under the radar in free agency but will be a big storyline come February’s trade deadline? MacMahon: There has been some discussion about Towns, but it shouldn’t be a surprise if that gets much louder as the trade deadline nears. The face of the franchise for the Timberwolves has transitioned to Edwards, fresh off signing a new potential supermax extension. If Minnesota is going to make another major change, it would need to be by trading Towns.

– via NBA Insiders @ ESPN

 

 

[Mikey]

8 hours ago, Sothron said:

Minn doesn't want Hunter. They have forwards. 

If thats the case let us keep Jalen too lol. Jalen on the bench and next to lineups where Kat is center would be amazing.

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Mmmmmmmm.......here we go!

 

Which player has flown under the radar in free agency but will be a big storyline come February’s trade deadline? MacMahon: There has been some discussion about Towns, but it shouldn’t be a surprise if that gets much louder as the trade deadline nears. The face of the franchise for the Timberwolves has transitioned to Edwards, fresh off signing a new potential supermax extension. If Minnesota is going to make another major change, it would need to be by trading Towns.

– via NBA Insiders @ ESPN

 

 

Ya I just saw that as well. trade deadline???? HECK NO NOWWWW!!

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Paul Reed,

My lone dude remaining on my free agent wish list. Weak free agent summer drying up fast. 

[thecampster]

Remember Bogi isn't available for trade til September and the 2 draftees have a waiting period as well after signing their new contracts.  The team likes Jalen so any inclusion of him in a deal is considered a premium. What he brings at his salary high value.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young.  ...........but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, 

Everybody RELAX......we getting Wemby y'all 

[Spud2nique]

43 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You should just join the Outsiders,

Ummmm kg, a word.. 

[theheroatl]

5 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Remember Bogi isn't available for trade til September and the 2 draftees have a waiting period as well after signing their new contracts.  The team likes Jalen so any inclusion of him in a deal is considered a premium. What he brings at his salary high value.

 

I'd believe the hawks value OO > AJ > JJ though.

[Hawkish]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

Thanks for noticing. Work takes up a lot of my time these days but I also made the conscious choice to post less insider info. I posted the other day that the NBA is taking leaking more seriously due to agents/teams leveraging social media with leaks. I wouldn't be surprised to hear something about this in the news this weekend. They are handling these matters internally but that too could leak.

For the record, I was sharing the KAT info privately on this board 3 weeks ago in a few private messages as well as the JC is as good as gone a week before it happened, but I'm also aware that either A) people like to scrutinize and or B) my posts have been followed by lurkers and used outside of the board. I'm trying to move to a higher standard of only posting a higher quality of rumor  1) to avoid being used when those feeding information are trying to promote agendas and 2) to not come off as an attention seeker. That's just not me.

On the Kat front,

Talks with Kat got more serious about a month ago with the understanding both teams had to line up things to make something happen.  Kat was not the only player discussed.  Minny would move Gobert for a step out center type (like Lopez) if they could.  Like everyone, they love the defense but most modern NBA teams are made up of slashers/3 point shooting and that takes up a lot of space.  A big man down low clogging up space (see Clint) hampers the slashing offense (see JC).  Most all talk in the media is Minny driven as they are desperately trying to up the offers on KAT. They can't undersell him because they overpaid for Gobert (realize I love Gobert but not at the price they paid). So Minny is trying to get offers to make Atlanta up theirs but its coming off as desperate.

 

Siakam - Almost all chatter on Siakam is Toronto and Siakam's reps driven. Siakam wants out, wants out to a top 15 level team. He doesn't like their rebuild direction as has been previously reported. Yes Atlanta inquired, yes they check in. But Atlanta isn't driving this conversation and any reports we were trying to move DJM to get him was gross misconduct from a reporting perspective.  Siakam's value is good, even great but not elite. His age, concerns about a coming decline and his 1 year left really kill his value.  Toronto waited too long to enter this game and now are scrambling. They used Atlanta's name in hopes of jumping in as a third party to the JC deal before it was complete.

 

Both Kat and Siakam deals are possible, could even happen this weekend but it won't be the packages people are reporting.  Clint going to a third party in an deal with Minny + 2 other assets (probably Gay + pick...maybe 1 youngin). Clint + 2 assets in any deal with Toronto.

 

Remember that we have 3 more days to make a decision on Bruno and that plays heavily in to this and who we take back.  Clint out make OO the starter and opens up real playing time for Bruno. Clint stays makes Bruno a snt target in a split deal.  There is a reason we haven't requested waivers on Gay yet and it isn't that we see him as a valuable part of next season's plans.

Bogi is a name that is back in mentions but who is also not available for trade until September. We may hear something on this with a belated trade completion date.

Last bit and I don't think anyone else has mentioned this.  The Murray extension can be related to something simmering under the surface.  A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young.  Teams have inquired as to what it would take to get Young.  Murray's signing, the team drafting a Murray like player in Bufkin and trading for TyTy is a little scary given the chatter. Nothing there is imminent (that I've heard) but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, move Murray to the full time starter at the point. Become more defense oriented. Trae and his people are aware.  The above teams have all inquired about Trae.  LA and NY having the most interest. All exploratory at this point but the haul back would very high.

Interesting— I wonder what a Trae package would look like.  LA and NY don’t have much to offer.  What is SA going to offer?  Wemby?  Our picks back?  Exactly.  Philly?  A hobbling Embiid?  He’s the only worthy name on any of the mentioned teams.  

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

  Most all talk in the media is Minny driven as they are desperately trying to up the offers on KAT. They can't undersell him because they overpaid for Gobert (realize I love Gobert but not at the price they paid). So Minny is trying to get offers to make Atlanta up theirs but its coming off as desperate.

 

Siakam - Almost all chatter on Siakam is Toronto and Siakam's reps driven. But Atlanta isn't driving this conversation and any reports we were trying to move DJM to get him was gross misconduct from a reporting perspective. 

 

Both Kat and Siakam deals are possible, could even happen this weekend but it won't be the packages people are reporting.  Clint going to a third party in an deal with Minny + 2 other assets (probably Gay + pick...maybe 1 youngin). Clint + 2 assets in any deal with Toronto.

 

This is music to my ears!!  I thought that our front office had lost their minds after reading the proposed trades here.  We are not giving up valuable players and 2 1st round picks for either of these guys!  The Hawks aren't the desperate teams...Minnesota and Toronto are!  These are basically salary dumps for both team because they both have a high pay roll with a bad product.  We don't have to do them any favors by rebuilding their teams for them by unnecessarily giving them valuable young players and draft asset for players nobody else wants!

[Hawkish]

11 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Remember Bogi isn't available for trade til September and the 2 draftees have a waiting period as well after signing their new contracts.  The team likes Jalen so any inclusion of him in a deal is considered a premium. What he brings at his salary high value.

 

Exactly— so keep him.  We know what KAT is at this point.  Why do we need to add premium anything?  We would be helping Minnesota simply by taking him.  $62M a few years down the road? Truly a disgusting figure and one I’m baffled we would want to spend on such a player.

[Spud2nique]

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Ummmm kg, a word.. 

{outsiders meeting}..
 

 @warcore is denying us new outsiders! He seems adamant about it. We are looking for a possible new recruit but it could also drag out as far as the trade deadline. So either then, or sometime before but most likely, it’s gonna be never. 

[Spud2nique]

4 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

Interesting— I wonder what a Trae package would look like.  LA and NY don’t have much to offer.

It wouldn’t cuz it would never exist. Like the tree that falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it. Nah, Trae is a Hawk for life. Wouldn’t worry about that.

[kg01]

9 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Ummmm kg, a word.. 

Hey, I only told him to apply.  No way he passes the background check.  He's waaay too clean. 

[REHawksFan]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

Thanks for noticing. Work takes up a lot of my time these days but I also made the conscious choice to post less insider info. I posted the other day that the NBA is taking leaking more seriously due to agents/teams leveraging social media with leaks. I wouldn't be surprised to hear something about this in the news this weekend. They are handling these matters internally but that too could leak.

For the record, I was sharing the KAT info privately on this board 3 weeks ago in a few private messages as well as the JC is as good as gone a week before it happened, but I'm also aware that either A) people like to scrutinize and or B) my posts have been followed by lurkers and used outside of the board. I'm trying to move to a higher standard of only posting a higher quality of rumor  1) to avoid being used when those feeding information are trying to promote agendas and 2) to not come off as an attention seeker. That's just not me.

On the Kat front,

Talks with Kat got more serious about a month ago with the understanding both teams had to line up things to make something happen.  Kat was not the only player discussed.  Minny would move Gobert for a step out center type (like Lopez) if they could.  Like everyone, they love the defense but most modern NBA teams are made up of slashers/3 point shooting and that takes up a lot of space.  A big man down low clogging up space (see Clint) hampers the slashing offense (see JC).  Most all talk in the media is Minny driven as they are desperately trying to up the offers on KAT. They can't undersell him because they overpaid for Gobert (realize I love Gobert but not at the price they paid). So Minny is trying to get offers to make Atlanta up theirs but its coming off as desperate.

 

Siakam - Almost all chatter on Siakam is Toronto and Siakam's reps driven. Siakam wants out, wants out to a top 15 level team. He doesn't like their rebuild direction as has been previously reported. Yes Atlanta inquired, yes they check in. But Atlanta isn't driving this conversation and any reports we were trying to move DJM to get him was gross misconduct from a reporting perspective.  Siakam's value is good, even great but not elite. His age, concerns about a coming decline and his 1 year left really kill his value.  Toronto waited too long to enter this game and now are scrambling. They used Atlanta's name in hopes of jumping in as a third party to the JC deal before it was complete.

 

Both Kat and Siakam deals are possible, could even happen this weekend but it won't be the packages people are reporting.  Clint going to a third party in an deal with Minny + 2 other assets (probably Gay + pick...maybe 1 youngin). Clint + 2 assets in any deal with Toronto.

 

Remember that we have 3 more days to make a decision on Bruno and that plays heavily in to this and who we take back.  Clint out make OO the starter and opens up real playing time for Bruno. Clint stays makes Bruno a snt target in a split deal.  There is a reason we haven't requested waivers on Gay yet and it isn't that we see him as a valuable part of next season's plans.

Bogi is a name that is back in mentions but who is also not available for trade until September. We may hear something on this with a belated trade completion date.

Last bit and I don't think anyone else has mentioned this.  The Murray extension can be related to something simmering under the surface.  A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young.  Teams have inquired as to what it would take to get Young.  Murray's signing, the team drafting a Murray like player in Bufkin and trading for TyTy is a little scary given the chatter. Nothing there is imminent (that I've heard) but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, move Murray to the full time starter at the point. Become more defense oriented. Trae and his people are aware.  The above teams have all inquired about Trae.  LA and NY having the most interest. All exploratory at this point but the haul back would very high.

Appreciate the insight on the potential KAT trade.  Good to know the price may not be as steep as once thought. 

As for the Trae bit.....I'll just say I'll believe the Hawks trade Trae without him demanding a trade when I see it.  You never say never in the NBA because this is a business above all else, but the business aspect is precisely why I don't see Ressler signing off on a Trae trade.  He brings in too much money and is too popular as the face of the franchise.  Why would Ressler choose to give that up?  Not to mention the fact that the return for super star players is never equal value.  I just don't see it.  

 

 

[gurpilo]

Cita

Last bit and I don't think anyone else has mentioned this. The Murray extension can be related to something simmering under the surface. A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young. Teams have inquired as to what it would take to get Young. Murray's signing, the team drafting a Murray like player in Bufkin and trading for TyTy is a little scary given the chatter. Nothing there is imminent (that I've heard) but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, move Murray to the full time starter at the point. Become more defense oriented. Trae and his people are aware. The above teams have all inquired about Trae. LA and NY having the most interest. All exploratory at this point but the haul back would very high

Well, in 2-3 years a lineup of

DJM/Bufkin

AJ/

Hunter/

OO

KaT

+ The assets we get for Young/Capela/Bogi/Bey/JJ

Seems like a real legit contender for me... I would say more than now....

Edited July 7, 2023 by gurpilo

[JayBirdHawk]

15 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Appreciate the insight on the potential KAT trade.  Good to know the price may not be as steep as once thought. 

As for the Trae bit.....I'll just say I'll believe the Hawks trade Trae without him demanding a trade when I see it.  You never say never in the NBA because this is a business above all else, but the business aspect is precisely why I don't see Ressler signing off on a Trae trade.  He brings in too much money and is too popular as the face of the franchise.  Why would Ressler choose to give that up?  Not to mention the fact that the return for super star players is never equal value.  I just don't see it.  

 

Also the same reason for them wanting Trae is the same reason the Hawks should want to keep him....

A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys 

.....things would have to be going terribly wrong for this to happen. 

[theheroatl]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Also the same reason for them wanting Trae is the same reason the Hawks should want to keep him....

A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys 

.....things would have to be going terribly wrong for this to happen. 

Agreed

[Sothron]

Waiting for procedure. Taking time to back up what campster has posted.