TRAE OR DJ OR BOTH

[macdaddy]

Every season is different but the fact still remains that we were a better team before DJ got here.  

[Gray Mule]

$18.7 M. - - BOGIE

$20.6 M - - CLINT

$20.1 M - - HUNT.

$18.2 M - - MURRAY

$40.1 M - - TRAE

This is our "double digit" payroll players.  

[REHawksFan]

2 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

You don't need to rely on that article to know that Snyder is not all-in on Trae as the future centerpiece

Just making stuff up now. Good grief. 

Edited April 22 by REHawksFan

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

$18.7 M. - - BOGIE

$20.6 M - - CLINT

$20.1 M - - HUNT.

$18.2 M - - MURRAY

$40.1 M - - TRAE

This is our "double digit" payroll players.  

Next year Murray will be making $25 M going up to 31 M over 4 years. 

[deester11]

Anybody saying Trae is a bad teammate is buying into bs narratives.  Pause.  Look at this FO and ask yourself if they've done the best thing for Trae and the Hawks.  The answer is fk no.only in Atlanta can you have a bona fide stud, flaws and all and pick him apart because national news or a local dumbaz says what he thinks national sources say.  Let it go Jeff..Terrell..Trae ain't the issue.

[StonedDogs]

55 minutes ago, deester11 said:

Anybody saying Trae is a bad teammate is buying into bs narratives.  Pause.  Look at this FO and ask yourself if they've done the best thing for Trae and the Hawks.  The answer is fk no.only in Atlanta can you have a bona fide stud, flaws and all and pick him apart because national news or a local dumbaz says what he thinks national sources say.  Let it go Jeff..Terrell..Trae ain't the issue.

Brother, this has been said since '22 that you cannot build a championship team around Trae. You just cannot. The Knicks aren't even building around Brunson. They have a smart FO that saw success with Villanova and grabbed three players from championship pedigree. 

They're building a team of offensive AND DEFENSIVE dogs. Trae is not the issue but he is definitely not the solution or center piece you build around 

[JTB]

14 hours ago, Final_quest said:

@JTB

During the ECF run we had multiple guys on rookie contracts as starters and in the rotation.  
The best teams leverage ring chasers and rookie contracts.  They are top heavy apart from that with their salary.  
We are top heavy with redundant talent, Trae and Murray.  We’ve got only one rookie contract in the rotation, and no real ring chaser level talent that gets paid close to vet min salary.  The guys getting paid are questionable fits.  
People act like signing one more guy to an MLE deal fixes everything.  There are bigger issues that are much more complex.  

We need to trade a piece or two. Get another couple key contributor from the draft.  Then sign that MLE guy that so many people hyper focus on.  

What trades would you make to make this team more competitive?

[deester11]

7 hours ago, StonedDogs said:

Brother, this has been said since '22 that you cannot build a championship team around Trae. You just cannot. The Knicks aren't even building around Brunson. They have a smart FO that saw success with Villanova and grabbed three players from championship pedigree. 

They're building a team of offensive AND DEFENSIVE dogs. Trae is not the issue but he is definitely not the solution or center piece you build around 

So the ECF run where Trae showed he could carry a team was mirage. I think that..but In many ways the sum of the parts matched. The FO decided to run it back when they should have added better players.  They did not. The Hawks have the same janky core. Decidedly worse.  Make if it what you will.

[Gray Mule]

17 hours ago, macdaddy said:

Next year Murray will be making $25 M going up to 31 M over 4 years. 

All these salaries were for this past season.  They are the five that made double digit salaries!

[AHF]

1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

All these salaries were for this past season.  They are the five that made double digit salaries!

Agreed.  I do think that next year's salaries are all that are relevant to the discussion of how we manage our roster and cap next year, though.

[Final_quest]

11 hours ago, JTB said:

What trades would you make to make this team more competitive?

In short Murray for the best player possible.  A top 50-60 player that fits our roster better.  If we can't get equal value for Murray, it would take finding a diamond in the rough to turn this franchise around.  

[Gray Mule]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Agreed.  I do think that next year's salaries are all that are relevant to the discussion of how we manage our roster and cap next year, though.

OK.  I don't believe any one of them will have a lesser salary next year.  

[AHF]

55 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

OK.  I don't believe any one of them will have a lesser salary next year.  

Good news - Bogi is a lesser salary!

Trae $43M

DJM $25.5M

CC $22.3M

Hunter $21.7M

Bogi $17.3M 

OO $14.0M

[Packfill]

21 hours ago, macdaddy said:

Next year Murray will be making $25 M going up to 31 M over 4 years. 

In addition, OO goes up to $14 next year I believe.

[shakes]

9 hours ago, deester11 said:

So the ECF run where Trae showed he could carry a team was mirage. \

lol I think the answer to that question is about as definitive a YES as you can get.   It was not only a mirage, but it was the single worst thing that could've happened to this franchise.

[macdaddy]

2 hours ago, shakes said:

lol I think the answer to that question is about as definitive a YES as you can get.   It was not only a mirage, but it was the single worst thing that could've happened to this franchise.

We were 5th in the east.  That's a lot of winning to be a mirage. We had a good year and a great playoff run. 

[deester11]

44 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

We were 5th in the east.  That's a lot of winning to be a mirage. We had a good year and a great playoff run. 

Shhhh.  Lol.  Correct.  The fault was that other teams improved..the Hawks went Stat Quo...continually.  

[AHF]

11 hours ago, deester11 said:

Shhhh.  Lol.  Correct.  The fault was that other teams improved..the Hawks went Stat Quo...continually.  

Worse.  We dumped talent over time.

[Final_quest]

We actually added talent the year after the ECF.  Brought in Delon Wright and drafted Jalen.  
That team started the season 4-8.  Finished 9th in the east.  Got smoked by Miami in the playoffs.  
To say we were on an upward trajectory until we let go of Huerter takes a lot of revision.  

Also if you call adding Murray going status quo…I think that’s off by quite a bit.  The primary move they made was a pretty big gamble.  

The main issue was betting on paying JC and Hunter to be worth 1/3 of your payroll.  Second mistake was using your draft capital on a second star that isn’t complimentary to your Trae.  Adding a MLE player or retaining Huerter doesn’t fix either of those mistakes.  

[deester11]

32 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

We actually added talent the year after the ECF.  Brought in Delon Wright and drafted Jalen.  
That team started the season 4-8.  Finished 9th in the east.  Got smoked by Miami in the playoffs.  
To say we were on an upward trajectory until we let go of Huerter takes a lot of revision.  

Also if you call adding Murray going status quo…I think that’s off by quite a bit.  The primary move they made was a pretty big gamble.  

The main issue was betting on paying JC and Hunter to be worth 1/3 of your payroll.  Second mistake was using your draft capital on a second star that isn’t complimentary to your Trae.  Adding a MLE player or retaining Huerter doesn’t fix either of those mistakes.  

We stayed middling. Period.  There is no way the money given to middling players wasn't going to come back and haunt this team.  It's been the same M.O. for years.  If that's not stat Quo...I don't know what to tell you.  Teams got better..built the right way.  Banking on Murray with a core that was never going to get further was stupid.  Delon wasn't a hawk long and we let him go and sold off shares of players who got you very little for the money you gave out.  Stat damn Quo.