Hawks Free Agent Targets

[Buzzard]

45 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

If you can't select players based on your scheme, you end up signing Alex Len and Jabari Parker.

You want to know why Danny Ferry was elite in FA. He signed players who fit Budball to a T.

So you want to compare Millsap at 20M a year when Ferry signed him to Len and Parker at 8.5 Million a year; and you honestly expect all three to be equally talented. it just depends on fit? I guess you want to say Korver is fit to; despite him playing with some of the slowest and fastest paced teams in the league at different points in his career.

Something is just wrong with the way you compare players who are not close to being equally talented and then you blame that lack of talent on fit. Its hilarious.

Here is a clue concerning Millsap vs Len.

Millsap has played for three different teams, in three different systems, and he excelled with all three. Alex Len is not good enough to excel for anyone and he has now been with three different teams. Alex Len is not about fit. Its not some rocket science fit gibberish that you think you are the only person in the world smart enough to understand.

Len is a bust considering where he was drafted; its that simple.

[Buzzard]

35 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

No that’s just because those vet crap vets. This wasn’t based on them not working in our system. They just generally suck as players and will continue to suck no matter where they go. Jerami Grant will not suck. 
 

Jerami Grant will factor into making plays that don’t show up in the boxscore and help us win. Len will put up better offensive stats but we will end up losing.

I am starting to think that @NBASupes does not think talent matters. All that matters is fit and he can project Isaacs to a All-Star game. Life should be so simple.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, Buzzard said:

I am starting to think that @NBASupes does not think talent matters. All that matters is fit and he can project Isaacs to a All-Star game. Life should be so simple.

I think he does still but prioritizing fit way too much for sure. Fit is important but when you are a team in stage building like us, we need to stockpile as much talent as our cap allows, then try and piece it together to fit specially when Grant won’t be your first second or third option on offense. Let’s the guy shine in doing everything else he does so well.

 

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

And he signed them at a steep discount to boot.  Something Schlenk struggles with. In his defense, LP is the coach and the team has no real system except pick and roll while jack up as many 3's during a game as possible

Our system is a lot more complex this that. 

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, Buzzard said:

I am starting to think that @NBASupes does not think talent matters. All that matters is fit and he can project Isaacs to a All-Star game. Life should be so simple.

This is a terrible statement. Nothing is accurate. Even your interpretation of me. Talent obvious matters. 

[Buzzard]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

This is a terrible statement. Nothing is accurate. Even your interpretation of me. Talent obvious matters. 

Its really not otherwise you would not have to use "fit" on a daily basis to backup your like or dislike of a player for us. We are bottom 25 in defense and 3 point shooting. LP needs all the help he can get. Grant can defend both 3s and 4s better than anyone we have on our bench while also shooting .400 from three the past two seasons.

If he does not fit our bench, no one fits our bench. You are so generic with your posturing and scouting reports its become your norm. Supes don't like him, then Supes says he does not fit. Its a broken record in over 50% of your arguments these days.

[JayBirdHawk]

4 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Grant really doesn't fit our style of play at all. Signing him is like signing Aminu for Orlando. The fit just doesn't make sense and it didn't for Orlando

Disagree. Aminu played 18 games for Orlando before injury.

We need NBA players with talent. Defend, shoot 3s, be active.  EVERY single player doesn't HAVE to be DPS.

4 hours ago, Buzzard said:

Of course he fits. Like a glove on our 2nd team to be honest. He plays hard nosed defense; and unlike over half our bench, he has shot above the league average 3P% two seasons in a row ( .392 and .400 ).

Bembry and Vince walk and sign Grant please!

 

4 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Orlando doesn’t have Trae. I think Grant is solid and he’s the type of guy that will make himself fit into a scheme. That’s the impression I get anyway.

Agreed!

4 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Yes!  At the right discount!  for example, I would absolutely sign Harrell to a 3 year deal averaging $12 mil per season

That's an easy yes.

[JayBirdHawk]

4 hours ago, NBASupes said:

No, it don't work like that. We did this shit with Jabari Parker. Not again

Parker never defended or shoot the 3...wierd comparison.

[JayBirdHawk]

Sometimes you just need quality basketball players regardless if you think they 'fit' like a glove. You aren't trying to complete a PERFECT lego set. Sometimes you create a master piece from random pieces. Sometimes you need specialists in one area or another.

You can't have blinders on and be singularly focused.

[Buzzard]

41 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Sometimes you just need quality basketball players regardless if you think they 'fit' like a glove. You aren't trying to complete a PERFECT lego set. Sometimes you create a master piece from random pieces. Sometimes you need specialists in one area or another.

You can't have blinders on and be singularly focused.

By the time Andrew Bogut got to the Warriors he could barely run up and down the floor for 30 minutes. But guess what? He averaged, 24.6, 26.4, 23.6 and 20.7 minutes for GSW when they were always a top five paced team; and he was never able to shoot a three or make a free throw.

Draymond Green may be their perfect fit ( he can't really shoot threes either ) but Bogut played a hell of a role on that team. Talent wins out and good coaches get the most out of the talent. Its like you said, a basketball team is not a lego set.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogutan01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, Buzzard said:

Its really not otherwise you would not have to use "fit" on a daily basis to backup your like or dislike of a player for us. We are bottom 25 in defense and 3 point shooting. LP needs all the help he can get. Grant can defend both 3s and 4s better than anyone we have on our bench while also shooting .400 from three the past two seasons.

If he does not fit our bench, no one fits our bench. You are so generic with your posturing and scouting reports its become your norm. Supes don't like him, then Supes says he does not fit. Its a broken record in over 50% of your arguments these days.

Who said I don't like Grant? 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Who said I don't like Grant? 

You did.

7 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Grant really doesn't fit our style of play at all. Signing him is like signing Aminu for Orlando. The fit just doesn't make sense and it didn't for Orlando

Right here you said it.

[JTB]

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

You did.

Right here you said it.

Not to speak for Supes but that doesn’t mean he don’t like Grant . He just don’t feel Grant fits the system.

its no different than @Buzzard coming off as someone who don’t like Trez. I’m sure he likes Trez just don’t like him here in Atlanta.

[Spud2nique]

3 minutes ago, JTB said:

Not to speak for Supes but that doesn’t mean he don’t like Grant . He just don’t feel Grant fits the system.

its no different than @Buzzard coming off as someone who don’t like Trez. I’m sure he likes Trez just don’t like him here in Atlanta.

That’s fine I like Supes analysis but he does tend to sometimes fit a player in or out as far as fit and ...well, if he likes them or not. Sometimes his emotions tend to get in the way of his good analysis. 
 

In this particular forum, I take it to mean that if he does or doesn’t like Grant, we are discussing it for our squad. So when he says he doesn’t like Grant, that’s kind of how I take it. I don’t really care if Supes thinks Grant is a good fit for the Harlem Globtrotters or not just us.

[Buzzard]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Who said I don't like Grant? 

You did. He is a solid defender at two positions, he shoots the ball above average, yet you don't like him for us. Some days I think you talk for no other reason than you like hearing yourself talk.

[mrhonline]

Looks like Grant is going to be a free agent. Worth noting that Pierce knows him from his Sixers days.

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“He was always a gym rat. We never had to question how hard he was going to work,” said Hawks head coach Lloyd Pierce who was an assistant with the 76ers when Grant was in Philadelphia. “What I’m proud of is he’s developed that shot. We spent a lot of time working on it. You have to guard him out there, because you have to deal with him around the basket, slashing, cutting, catching lobs, and running in transition. For him to add that extra element, him making 3s, it’s a huge part of his growth and his development. I know he’s spent a lot of time on that.”

https://thednvr.com/he-was-always-a-gym-rat-an-inside-look-at-jerami-grants-basketball-journey-from-those-who-know-him-best/

Also sounds like the first two months of his season with Denver were up-and-down.  He was outplayed by Millsap, which admittedly has happened to a lot of NBA players over the years.

[Buzzard]

1 hour ago, JTB said:

Not to speak for Supes but that doesn’t mean he don’t like Grant . He just don’t feel Grant fits the system.

its no different than @Buzzard coming off as someone who don’t like Trez. I’m sure he likes Trez just don’t like him here in Atlanta.

I liked Trez before we traded for Capela. I liked Trez as a starter on our very young team. I posted such things almost as soon as I knew Trez would be a free agent. Grant will in all likelihood backup Hunter and Collins. If we can get Trez for the same money as Grant to be a backup to Capela, I am all in. But good luck with that.

Now did you read the words bad fit or bad player for us? No, its all about the benjamins when it comes to Trez and me. We gave our starting center money to Capela. I can't change that even if I wanted to.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

7 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Nobody would. Yet @JayBirdHawk continues to champion him for us.  

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[JayBirdHawk]

25 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Looks like Grant is going to be a free agent. Worth noting that Pierce knows him from his Sixers days.

https://thednvr.com/he-was-always-a-gym-rat-an-inside-look-at-jerami-grants-basketball-journey-from-those-who-know-him-best/

Also sounds like the first two months of his season with Denver were up-and-down.  He was outplayed by Millsap, which admittedly has happened to a lot of NBA players over the years.

He has a player option, the article didn't state if he was exercising his option to become a FA?

[mrhonline]

https://theathletic.com/1792662/2020/05/05/nuggets-free-agency-files-will-paul-millsap-end-his-career-in-denver/?source=emp_shared_article

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Denver wants Grant back. Grant is unlikely to trigger the $9 million player option on his contract because there will be a multiyear deal waiting for him, and it’s one that will almost certainly pay him eight figures annually. Grant averaged 14.5 points with a true shooting percentage of 61.1 in the 22 games he started this season.

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Nick Kosmider is a staff writer for The Athletic covering the Denver Nuggets. He previously spent five years at the Denver Post, where he covered the city’s professional sports scene. His other stops include The Arizona Republic and MLB.com.