Hawks Free Agent Targets

[NBASupes]

7 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Nothin to see here... Supes and buzz ironing things out.
 

 

I have no issues with Buzz

[NBASupes]

28 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Perfect Off-season to me knowing what I know now is: 

PG: Trae/???/Goodwin

SG: Reddish/Kev/???/???

SF: Hunter/???/???

PF: Collins/???/???

Center:  Capela/Dedmon/Bruno

Draft: 4th pick: Obi Toppin

 Trade up for 36 pick - For cash considerations and the 52th pick - Grant Riller

After Draft roster

PG: Trae/???/Goodwin/Riller

SG: Reddish/Kev/???

SF: Hunter/???/???

PF: Collins/Toppin/???

Center:  Capela/Dedmon/Bruno

 

 

1st signing: Shabazz Napier - 3 years 10 million 

2nd signing: Kenrich Williams - 3 years 15 million, descending contract

3rd signing: Denzel Valentine or Pat Connaughton - 3 years 15 million, descending contract 

4th signing MAJOR: Furkan Korkmaz 4 years 41 million, descending contract

5th signing: Resigning Skal 3 years 12 million

 

After FA

PG: Trae/Napier/Riller

SG: Reddish/Kev/Valentine or Connaughton

SF: Hunter/Korkmaz/Williams

PF: Collins/Toppin/Skal

Center:  Capela/Dedmon/Bruno

14-15 men: Riller/Bruno

 

Napier is a quality upgrade over Teague who's career arc is looking like Bibby's last season in Atlanta right now. 

Valentine or Connaughton really fit that 6th wing role to a T. Pat is like Alex Caruso while Valentine is like a less athletic wing Draymond. Giving them a lot of money for a 5th-6th wing could bring them in. 

Korkmaz is more of a 2 but can play the both wing positions. I like him a ton after Harris is gone from the market. Harris is obviously my #1 guy but it's gonna cost a ton.

Hawks need is bigger wing who can defend 3s outside of Hunter and Kenrich fits the role to a T as well as he's not like Graham and he can put the ball on the deck, pass it as well as play high IQ basketball. 

Resigning Skal seems to be a lock for the Hawks it seems. Not bad for a 13th man.  

I cut Goodwin and resigned him to a two-way deal just in case we have trade Napier during the season for an asset. 

Gives us NBA quality depth and players who fit our system to a T. I like the Korkmaz signing, I think he's on his way long term to really being good in that shooter role. 

I would like to sign Brandon Goodwin and Tres Tickle to two-way deals but easier said than done. The best undrafted players go to good situations with a roster spot on hand. Chances are, if we want Tickle, we have to draft him. 

 

Edit: Remove Korkmaz, he's not a free agent this year. They didn't update the chart... He's another 2021 guy. 

Finding that high-end 4th wing is a bitch who fits. I was shocked I saw Korkmaz, he has never been mentioned and I am like, WHY at this moment. Damn! It's obvious why, he's not a FA. 

It looks like an overpay for Harris might be our best bet. Even if we pay him Bazemore money for 3 years. Dallas proved to us you can overpay guys, as long as they fit the system. 

This is probably the most garbage FA market in the modern era. 

[NBASupes]

7 hours ago, Buzzard said:

Your shots fired at me in just one post:

 

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Isaac is more valuable to NBA teams right now than Collins is. That's a fact. Go to RealGM and ask everyone. You won't because you don't want to hear the responses as they will differ from yours. Just the facts man. No one wants a big man movement specialist who can't create his own basket, got no back to the basket or faceup skills, can't defend outside of the paint and has the body of an undersized PF over an elite defender who can defend 4 positions at an elite level like Isaac. If Collins was that dude on offense like Isaac is on defense, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

Grant doesn't play our style of Basketball. He isn't a high BBIQ player on offense. He doesn't have a good feel for the game. While he's a great cutter, he's not much of a movement guy. He doesn't really have a defensive position which is why he worked for OKC where they have Adams who communicates everything and is great at positioning but he's struggled with Jokic and Plumlee who are both high BBIQ thinkers but not the best at positioning like Adams is.

Grant fit that OKC roster to a T. He doesn't with Denver. He clearly won't with us. If you knew how we played, you would know, other than Trae that PF's get the most touches in our system, even if they aren't shit at passing like John, they at least have to be good decision makers while handling the rock on the perimeter. Do you know who's Josh Smith like in a bad way at that at the Forward position? You guess it, Mr. f***ing Grant. 

His defense is not much to write about. His BBIQ is lacking on that end too. We already got someone who's just like that who's even more productive of late who we don't want anymore in Bembry. 

The mfer rocking a 0 WAR on the Denver Nuggets. This is what A. Kelly from Peachtree Hoops is talking about when he said watch for signing FAs who produce in some places and not in others. 

 The best example I can say to you is watch Dallas. They run the same system as us and it looks the way it's suppose to look. 

 

For the Hawks in FA, the goal is to get high BBIQ players who have some movement ability or a lot who can pass, dribble, and shoot. Even if they aren't the best shooters, they need to have High BBIQ with at least two of the items. This is what Dallas does. They don't have clowns with low BBIQ like Bembry doing the dumbest shit in their rotations. They wouldn't entertain the idea of Jerami Grant, obviously. Look at the guys we got under TS in the draft, he tries to make sure he gets guys who are smart, can PDS, and are hard workers. This isn't that hard @Buzzard

[NBASupes]

42 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Edit: Remove Korkmaz, he's not a free agent this year. They didn't update the chart... He's another 2021 guy. 

Finding that high-end 4th wing is a bitch who fits. I was shocked I saw Korkmaz, he has never been mentioned and I am like, WHY at this moment. Damn! It's obvious why, he's not a FA. 

It looks like an overpay for Harris might be our best bet. Even if we pay him Bazemore money for 3 years. Dallas proved to us you can overpay guys, as long as they fit the system. 

This is probably the most garbage FA market in the modern era. 

I hate to say this but I would consider although not wisely overpaying 3-55 to 3-60 for Joe Harris. That sniper who can play off the ball, movement, high BBIQ, and can finish at the rim at a high clip is so freaking hard to find as wing. He's basically a 3 WAR player. That's not really worth more than 3-30 but shit, his prototype is impossible to find on the market. People aren't just giving it away either. I would strongly consider looking into Buddy Hield who's more like a 4-5 WAR type and he's actually worth that money. Both are similar defensive players who might be best as 6th-7th man long term. Tough! This sucks man! 

[JTB]

25 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I hate to say this but I would consider although not wisely overpaying 3-55 to 3-60 for Joe Harris. That sniper who can play off the ball, movement, high BBIQ, and can finish at the rim at a high clip is so freaking hard to find as wing. He's basically a 3 WAR player. That's not really worth more than 3-30 but shit, his prototype is impossible to find on the market. People aren't just giving it away either. I would strongly consider looking into Buddy Hield who's more like a 4-5 WAR type and he's actually worth that money. Both are similar defensive players who might be best as 6th-7th man long term. Tough! This sucks man! 

Harris may actually be cheaper than Buddy’s upcoming contract extension he signed. But I’d give defensive upside to Harris as well. I agree they are similar in defense but Harris is like korver in terms of hustle. From what I’ve seen Harris puts in the effort better than buddy in my opinion but that could be due to buddy being unhappy in Sacramento.

i also like that Harris is a bigger wing . From an ego perspective Buddy wants to be a superstar however hasn’t really shown it. Harris would come in and do his role and be happy either way...that is atleast the vibe I get. 
 

harris could push himself into starting even though that should be cam in my opinion at Sg...buddy to me should start embracing the 6th man role I can see him being A lot more impactful if he does.

[NBASupes]

4 hours ago, JTB said:

Harris may actually be cheaper than Buddy’s upcoming contract extension he signed. But I’d give defensive upside to Harris as well. I agree they are similar in defense but Harris is like korver in terms of hustle. From what I’ve seen Harris puts in the effort better than buddy in my opinion but that could be due to buddy being unhappy in Sacramento.

i also like that Harris is a bigger wing . From an ego perspective Buddy wants to be a superstar however hasn’t really shown it. Harris would come in and do his role and be happy either way...that is atleast the vibe I get. 
 

harris could push himself into starting even though that should be cam in my opinion at Sg...buddy to me should start embracing the 6th man role I can see him being A lot more impactful if he does.

I could actually see your point which is the same feeling I get. The same exact feeling. He even has a great similarity score to Kyle Korver and been on that track as well. 

With Harris, even if he doesn't start he's at least embracing the role. I see your point a lot. 

[NBASupes]

Here are the spots we currently have open:

6th man - Closed (Cam or Kev)

7th man - This needs to be a key vet signing or traded player brought in (Hield, Harris, Millsap, Morris, Hayward, etc)

8th man - Whoever we draft (Edwards, Toppin, Big O, Deni, Okoro)

9th man - Closed (Dedmon)

10th man - Vet backup PG - (Napier, resign Teague, Dragic, etc)

11th man - 5th wing - Critical as we didn't have NBA level players from 10th-13th man this year. Players like Kenrich Williams, Valentine, Connaughton, etc. 

12th man - 6th wing - Critical as we didn't have NBA level players from 10th-13th man this year. Players like Kenrich Williams, Valentine, Connaughton, etc. 

13th man - 5th big - This player is critical, last year we were screwed in this spot with Jones and having to overextend Bruno. Closed (Resign Skal)

14th man - 3rd string PG - Goodwin showed he could handle the role but should Atlanta draft a PG in the most PG heavy class since 2009 and get a better fit? I think so - Options (Goodwin, Drafting Riller, Pritchard, Lee, Mannion, etc.)

15th man - 6th big - I feel for Bruno who was in the rotation when he shouldn't have been. This year will be much better. He will spend the season in both CP/ATL and prep for his role in 2020/21 as a backup center behind Capela which is huge. 

All of these new guys fit our style of play, are hard workers, have high BBIQ, can move on and off the ball, and can produce at a high PPP level. Obviously, I went more offensive but I felt we needed offense more than defense with the backups. The ability to land someone like Harris is massive for us. 

Gives us a tamdem of Kev/Harris or Cam/Harris as a 2nd string unit. 

Also getting a key vet or drafting a true stud like Toppin really helps our PF position with Dedmon at the 5. 

I think this roster can win a lot of games. All are + players who fit, have high BBIQ, can move on and off the ball and have the ability to PDS. 

They might cost more than my listed dollar figure which is understandable in this climate where good role players are hard to sign.  

[AHF]

@NBASupes & @Buzzard

STOP THE PERSONAL SHOTS IMMEDIATELY.  I am going to start straight deleting posts that include takes on the other person like:

• Stupid
• Ignorant
• Garbage ass
• Don't know shit
• Emotional
• Asinine
• Immature
• Etc.

Reading over the last couple pages of this thread this morning I'm just shaking my head.  Both of you have been taking shots at the other and have counterfired.  Drop the personal angle so I don't have to give timeouts and waste my time editing posts.

You guys both do this normally so it isn't asking much.  Just pretend like you are responding to Jay or Thomas or somebody where you would explain your view without needing to talk about the other poster.  Thanks.

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, AHF said:

Jay or Thomas or somebody

SPUD! SPUD  

 

@Thomas Hope you are well my man.

[Buzzard]

6 hours ago, AHF said:

@NBASupes & @Buzzard

STOP THE PERSONAL SHOTS IMMEDIATELY.  I am going to start straight deleting posts that include takes on the other person like:

• Stupid
• Ignorant
• Garbage ass
• Don't know shit
• Emotional
• Asinine
• Immature
• Etc.

Reading over the last couple pages of this thread this morning I'm just shaking my head.  Both of you have been taking shots at the other and have counterfired.  Drop the personal angle so I don't have to give timeouts and waste my time editing posts.

You guys both do this normally so it isn't asking much.  Just pretend like you are responding to Jay or Thomas or somebody where you would explain your view without needing to talk about the other poster.  Thanks.

Its all good AHF. I do apologize for the insults and the language. I responded in very poor taste.

I will take care of my end and Supes is ignored; so that fixes his end as far as I am concerned.

[AHF]

2 hours ago, Buzzard said:

Its all good AHF. I do apologize for the insults and the language. I responded in very poor taste.

I will take care of my end and Supes is ignored; so that fixes his end as far as I am concerned.

I've got zero doubts both of you can avoid it in the future if you elect to "un-ignore." 

[Buzzard]

5 hours ago, AHF said:

I've got zero doubts both of you can avoid it in the future if you elect to "un-ignore." 

I really can't. Once he starts slinging vulgarities in his criticisms my blood boils. This is the way to go.

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, Buzzard said:

I really can't. Once he starts slinging vulgarities in his criticisms my blood boils. This is the way to go.

Can you start by moving on back to the topic? You letting this fester as if I have an issue with you when I don't. The only thing you are doing is starting to become annoying. Move forward please. 

[Vol4ever]

23 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Here are the spots we currently have open:

6th man - Closed (Cam or Kev)

7th man - This needs to be a key vet signing or traded player brought in (Hield, Harris, Millsap, Morris, Hayward, etc)

8th man - Whoever we draft (Edwards, Toppin, Big O, Deni, Okoro)

9th man - Closed (Dedmon)

10th man - Vet backup PG - (Napier, resign Teague, Dragic, etc)

11th man - 5th wing - Critical as we didn't have NBA level players from 10th-13th man this year. Players like Kenrich Williams, Valentine, Connaughton, etc. 

12th man - 6th wing - Critical as we didn't have NBA level players from 10th-13th man this year. Players like Kenrich Williams, Valentine, Connaughton, etc. 

13th man - 5th big - This player is critical, last year we were screwed in this spot with Jones and having to overextend Bruno. Closed (Resign Skal)

14th man - 3rd string PG - Goodwin showed he could handle the role but should Atlanta draft a PG in the most PG heavy class since 2009 and get a better fit? I think so - Options (Goodwin, Drafting Riller, Pritchard, Lee, Mannion, etc.)

15th man - 6th big - I feel for Bruno who was in the rotation when he shouldn't have been. This year will be much better. He will spend the season in both CP/ATL and prep for his role in 2020/21 as a backup center behind Capela which is huge. 

All of these new guys fit our style of play, are hard workers, have high BBIQ, can move on and off the ball, and can produce at a high PPP level. Obviously, I went more offensive but I felt we needed offense more than defense with the backups. The ability to land someone like Harris is massive for us. 

Gives us a tamdem of Kev/Harris or Cam/Harris as a 2nd string unit. 

Also getting a key vet or drafting a true stud like Toppin really helps our PF position with Dedmon at the 5. 

I think this roster can win a lot of games. All are + players who fit, have high BBIQ, can move on and off the ball and have the ability to PDS. 

They might cost more than my listed dollar figure which is understandable in this climate where good role players are hard to sign.  

Supes you saying Hayward would be a 7th on the team?  

[NBASupes]

36 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

Supes you saying Hayward would be a 7th on the team?  

I don't think any addition would get more minutes than the current core guys. 

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, Vol4ever said:

Supes you saying Hayward would be a 7th on the team?  

For $30 mil per season?  Easy pass!

[High5]

Supes is really trying to give $50+ million to two bench guys. 

[macdaddy]

To me it's less about the money and more about the contract.   We can overpay bench guys as long as it doesn't screw us from doing what we need to do down the road.   It's certainly better than short changing the bench like we saw last year.

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, High5 said:

Supes is really trying to give $50+ million to two bench guys. 

Huh? When I did my projected FA, I spent about 48 million on 6 players. 

Where you got 50 million for two players off the bench?

Edited May 27, 2020 by NBASupes

[AHF]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Huh? When I did my projected FA, I spent about 48 million on 6 players. 

Where you got 50 million for two players off the bench?

I assume from your statement that you would be good paying $30M+ for Gordon and ~$20M for Trez.