NBASupes Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Peoriabird said: Just because you have guys on your team doesn't mean you have to use your roster in a way that will put them at a disadvantage unless you think Lloyd Pierce is just that stupid....Don't answer that! Toppin will go fine in this league. Zion ain't the greatest defensive player either but I didn't hear you screaming to the Hawks not to draft him. Its hype. If Toppin had the hype of the NCAA tournament, he would be seen as the top guy on here Edited September 2, 2020 by NBASupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, nathan2331 said: Zion doesn't play with Jrue and Lonzo? Zion averaged more assists than both of them in college too. He is a very talented player. Not just stats, but watching him gave me this impression he could play some SF. I don't like him just because he jumps really high. You. Are. Wrong. Neither of them are Ball dominant like Trae who's usage is 30+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted September 2, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 10:06 PM, NBASupes said: Neither of them are Ball dominant like Trae who's usage is 30+ He knows this...Some people just like to make noise. Zion was never seen as a small forward prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2331 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Neither of them are Ball dominant like Trae who's usage is 30+ I didn't call them ball dominant, they're two guards that feature in their offense ( Lonzo to a lesser extent). Ingram I think has higher usage rate than both anyways, but the point is that saying Zion is has no playmaking skill is a false statement. 12 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: He knows this...Some people just like to make noise. Zion was never see as a small forward prospect. I thought he could play some SF, not full time. Zion at 280 isn't sustainable, my hope for him was to lose some weight to be able to play some SF. And again, I admitted it was hypocritical to be 100% in favor of a more questionable Zion. I already gave you an admission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted September 2, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, nathan2331 said: I didn't call them ball dominant, they're two guards that feature in their offense ( Lonzo to a lesser extent). Ingram I think has higher usage rate than both anyways, but the point is that saying Zion is has no playmaking skill is a false statement. I thought he could play some SF, not full time. Zion at 280 isn't sustainable, my hope for him was to lose some weight to be able to play some SF. And again, I admitted it was hypocritical to be 100% in favor of a more questionable Zion. I already gave you an admission. Of the 2, Toppin would have more success playing the 3 especially offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 You still want reactive Grant @nathan2331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2331 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, NBASupes said: You still want reactive Grant @nathan2331 Yeah I do. He wasn't in this series for his offensive contributions. Millsap was right there, who finished the game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just now, nathan2331 said: Yeah I do. He wasn't in this series for his offensive contributions. Millsap was right there, who finished the game? The same person who almost cost them the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2331 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: The same person who almost cost them the game Wasn't that Craig who blew the layup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, nathan2331 said: Wasn't that Craig who blew the layup? No.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, nathan2331 said: Wasn't that Craig who blew the layup? You are right, it was Craig who missed it. In real time it looked like Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2331 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, terrell said: No.. Check again 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: You are right, it was Craig who missed it. In real time it looked like Grant I thought it was Grant at first too. I looked around like "look what I get for running my mouth". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, nathan2331 said: Zion doesn't play with Jrue and Lonzo? Zion averaged more assists than both of them in college too. He is a very talented player. Not just stats, but watching him gave me this impression he could play some SF. I don't like him just because he jumps really high. You. Are. Wrong. Enjoy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2331 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 47 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Enjoy. Thank you for this video. Clearly Zion has some playmaking skills. Now, he also has more defensive questions about his defense in the NBA. But that's irrelevant because this thread is about Toppin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted September 2, 2020 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 13 hours ago, nathan2331 said: I , I just don't think him and Collins work until one of them either bulk up or learn how to stay in front of quicker players. Being a great offensive team that can't force stops is not a winning formula. The last time Collins tried to bulk up he ended up with a 25 game suspension... 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted September 4, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Let me say this for Supes' admiration of Bagley coming out of college. Based on what we now know about Trae and Doncic, he was never going to be at that level. Those guys are fantastic and at the upper tier of elite players in any draft. But look at what a healthy Bagley might look like: If you could get someone who was a 21 and 11 per36 guy in his age 19 and 20 seasons but who was healthy, that guy might be a consensus #1 pick this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, AHF said: Let me say this for Supes' admiration of Bagley coming out of college. Based on what we now know about Trae and Doncic, he was never going to be at that level. Those guys are fantastic and at the upper tier of elite players in any draft. But look at what a healthy Bagley might look like: If you could get someone who was a 21 and 11 per36 guy in his age 19 and 20 seasons but who was healthy, that guy might be a consensus #1 pick this year. The best ability is availability. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, AHF said: Let me say this for Supes' admiration of Bagley coming out of college. Based on what we now know about Trae and Doncic, he was never going to be at that level. Those guys are fantastic and at the upper tier of elite players in any draft. But look at what a healthy Bagley might look like: If you could get someone who was a 21 and 11 per36 guy in his age 19 and 20 seasons but who was healthy, that guy might be a consensus #1 pick this year. Saying so-and-so "could be great if he was healthy" is the same as saying something like, "Ah man, if Giannis could shoot like Curry, he'd be unstoppable." It's not reality so why bother saying it. I get you were just trying to take up for ol' meany though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted September 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, kg01 said: Saying so-and-so "could be great if he was healthy" is the same as saying something like, "Ah man, if Giannis could shoot like Curry, he'd be unstoppable." It's not reality so why bother saying it. I get you were just trying to take up for ol' meany though. No it's not silly. Being healthy can be controlled. Shooting is a skill. Idiotic comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 55 minutes ago, NBASupes said: No it's not silly. Being healthy can be controlled. Shooting is a skill. Idiotic comparison Wrong. You can try but ultimately it's left up to fate. Or are you telling us Jabari Parker chose to have multiple ACL tears? Or maybe Isaac wanted to be out for another season? And I'm sure John Wall signed up for the Achilles tear willingly. Conversely, maybe you're telling us Giannis is choosing not to shoot as well as Curry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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