2021 Atlanta Hawks Summer League Thread

[NBASupes]

11 minutes ago, AHF said:

There is no downside to E10 deals but I can't see Schofield or Heidegger being anything more than practice / pre-season fodder.  I've enjoyed the decision-making I've seen from Heidegger in particular but I don't think there is a future there.

You gotta fill out College Park with good gleague players. I seen enough to know that both players would be good in the Gleague.

[MarylandHawk]

Skylar has looked good in summer league too. He has not hurt himself. 

[macdaddy]

16 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

Skylar has looked good in summer league too. He has not hurt himself. 

They have Skylar playing mostly 2 guard which is great.   He isn't going to be a PG in the NBA i don't think but he shoots well and can score off the ball. 

[thecampster]

11 hours ago, niremetal said:

I have to keep reminding myself that the average career of a #20 pick is a ~5 year career with a "peak" of being a subpar role player for a season or two. TS took a big swing with Jalen, knowing that it was a higher chance that he was drafting a potential star but also a much higher chance that he was drafting an absolute bunch. With our glut of young talent, I like that strategy. But if I had to lay my money at this point, it would definitely be on "bust."

First 3 games as a pro for the 20th pick,

28 minutes, 17.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.3 bpg, 56.4% fg%, while the team runs everything through other players to decide if they're worth offering a g league deal to.  The per 36 = 21.85, 13.24, 1.67.  I think anyone would take that from the 19 year old 20th overall pick. If those are motor questions, man I can't wait till he gets that motor tuned up.

[Dynamo]

Patience is important for the Hawk’s summer league players. 

[jy23]

3 hours ago, dalamchops said:

i can see JJ turning out like smoove, not quite a bust, shows flashes of talent but also a head case and could never quite put it together to achieve stardom. though if he's putting up 9WS year like smoove did at his peak that's tremendous value for a 20th pick.

What???? Lol why is he a head case? 

[Gray Mule]

ATTITUDE:   We all have it, good or bad.  Everyone of us must believe in themselves whether anyone else does or not.  Winners must believe that they are winners.  They don't  just give up and quit.  Neither of our draft picks had a sterling record before they became Hawks.  They fell below their talent level.

As someone has said, these two players will not determine how good or bad the Hawks will be this season.  This is the luxury we enjoy with our present deep team.  We don't have to depend on them right now.  Both will have the opportunity to learn and to grow as young NBA players.

Both draft picks are very talented.  They have the God given ability to go far.  The biggest enemy each of them face is the man they see in the mirror each morning.  Yep, attitude.  If it's right, they will do well. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by Gray Mule

[AHF]

7 minutes ago, jy23 said:

What???? Lol why is he a head case? 

One of the reasons he fell was the big unknown with injuries and his leaving multiple HS and Duke.  Some have translated that into him being a head case.  I translate it into a discount buying opportunity.  Risk/reward in a good ratio as most #20 picks aren’t anything special.

Him leaving school to focus on the draft in a year where pro players skipped due to Covid, the NCAA was being sued for illegally blocking players from being paid and other basketball players opted out of the tourney to protect their pro careers makes someone’s decision to leave school need a much more nuanced analysis than if someone did it in 1995. It is a different world right now.

We’ll get to know him over time and find out if it was just a media narrative or not.

[niremetal]

4 hours ago, marco102 said:

You are entitled to have your opinions. No one is mad at you for having them. Just don't sit here and act like you calling someone a bust from three summer league games is not what you did.

I'm truly baffled that you don't seem to understand (or won't acknowledge) that there is a real difference between the statements "I think he's a bust" and "I think he's going to be a bust." The first is a label. The second is a prediction.  That's not a distinction without a difference.

Whatever, dude. Stay mad if that's you. I'm not gonna waste any more time trying to explain the difference between those two things.

Edited August 13, 2021 by niremetal

[RedDawg#8]

Anyone else noticing the ghost of Lloyd Pierce with all 3 of the games involving us blowing leads late and dropping 2 of 3 with poor execution down the stretch? I mean, if not for the buzzer beater by Rife we would have 3 blown lead losses under 2 minutes.

Matt Hill was originally on LP's staff. Whatever they were teaching still aint working when it comes to closing out games.

Thank goodness Nate is around to instill good habits. Apparently he told Sharife he had a 2 turnover limit. It all starts at the top.

[thecampster]

14 minutes ago, niremetal said:

I'm truly baffled that you don't seem to understand (or won't acknowledge) that there is a real difference between the statements "I think he's a bust" and "I think he's going to be a bust." The first is a label. The second is a prediction.  That's not a distinction without a difference.

Whatever, dude. Stay mad if that's you. I'm not gonna waste any more time trying to explain the difference between those two things.

I have two walnuts. I have 1 walnut and 1 peanut. I have 2 peanuts. I still have 2 nuts (ba dum bump...tssss). They aren't the same nuts but they're still nuts.

Leaning toward, if I put a water balloon to your head, had to call it now...is a bust is still saying you believe bust.  I understand you aren't saying is and that you're saying if forced to make a call he "will be" but still a pretty crazy thought considering he's a 17/10 guy right now in 28 minutes at 19 years old and was taken at 20.

If it were me (and it wasn't), I might have said something like "still a bit too early to tell, lets see what happens." But you went there and threw out the label. Prepare for shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[thecampster]

1 minute ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Anyone else noticing the ghost of Lloyd Pierce with all 3 of the games involving us blowing leads late and dropping 2 of 3 with poor execution down the stretch? I mean, if not for the buzzer beater by Rife we would have 3 blown lead losses under 2 minutes.

Matt Hill was originally on LP's staff. Whatever they were teaching still aint working when it comes to closing out games.

Thank goodness Nate is around to instill good habits. Apparently he told Sharife he had a 2 turnover limit. It all starts at the top.

IMHO our top 3ish guys are as good as anyone else's but the other teams' summer league squads are deeper than us. Many have multiple 2nd year players. Lets remember our #1 pick from last year (OO) isn't playing and things would be vastly different if he were. All we have playing is last year's #50 overall pick and a bunch of never sniff the nba'ers playing with Mays, Cooper and JJ.  Here is the roster, no center on the list:

Atlanta Hawks Summer League Roster

• Jalen Johnson, F
• Sharife Cooper, G
• Skylar Mays, G
• Jeremiah Martin, G
• Justin Jaworski, G
• Ibi Watson, G
• Max Heidegger, G
• DeVaughn Akoon-Purcell, F
• Admiral Schofield, F
• Nahziah Carter, G
• Eric Moreland, F
• Juwan Durham, F
• Javin DeLaurier, F
• Jordan Bell, F
• A.J. Lawson, G

[terrell]

16 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Rife is Trae Jr

Rife is Baby CP3.....

Edited August 13, 2021 by terrell

[marco102]

28 minutes ago, niremetal said:

I'm truly baffled that you don't seem to understand (or won't acknowledge) that there is a real difference between the statements "I think he's a bust" and "I think he's going to be a bust." The first is a label. The second is a prediction.  That's not a distinction without a difference.

Whatever, dude. Stay mad if that's you. I'm not gonna waste any more time trying to explain the difference between those two things.

You seem to be the one mad.   You don't realize you are saying the same thing.

Again, I'm not mad. You seem to be the one taking everything personally.

Edited August 13, 2021 by marco102

[RedDawg#8]

Just now, terrell said:

Rife is Baby CP3.....

Facts, especially until that range becomes more consistent. 

[thecampster]

Just now, marco102 said:

You seem the one mad when you don't realize you are saying the same thing.

Again, I'm not mad. You seem to be the one taking everything personally.

is vs will be....it is different but I'm not sure something to get your feathers in a ruffle over today.  JJ is going to be better than his draft slot (IMHO) by quite a bit.

[terrell]

6 hours ago, MarylandHawk said:

What am I missing here?  Dude had a double double in 20 something minutes. He was frustrated by the crazy man play of the G League MVP whose game was junk yard dog cagey veteran hustleman grabby type.   I would have been frustrated too. He still had a great game and wanted to win down the stretch but his teammates were finding him late. I love everything I have seen from Deuce Coop and Dynamite so far in summer league. 

Duece Coop? Hell naw..lol..Just call the kid Coop or Rife.....

Edited August 13, 2021 by terrell

[marco102]

1 minute ago, thecampster said:

is vs will be....it is different but I'm not sure something to get your feathers in a ruffle over today.  JJ is going to be better than his draft slot (IMHO) by quite a bit.

Is vs will be. I get that Jalen currently isn't a bust, but nire is predicting Jalen will be. 

So nire is currently making a prediction Jalen will be a bust. So in my mind, nire is currently calling Jalen a bust, but doesn't understand I'm refuting his prediction of Jalen being a bust. If that mental gymnastics makes sense.

[RedDawg#8]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

IMHO our top 3ish guys are as good as anyone else's but the other teams' summer league squads are deeper than us. Many have multiple 2nd year players. Lets remember our #1 pick from last year (OO) isn't playing and things would be vastly different if he were. All we have playing is last year's #50 overall pick and a bunch of never sniff the nba'ers playing with Mays, Cooper and JJ.  Here is the roster, no center on the list:

I don't disagree about the talent gap on paper, but we are still jumping out on these teams, building and carrying a lead throughout the game. So it's not like we are getting outclassed. The eye-ball test doesn't suggest that we are inferior to our opponents at all. 

It looks a lot like last season before the coaching change where we were losing winnable games, and it was always late game execution that was the culprit. Execution can still fall on the players but I thought it was an interesting parallel between Matt Hill and LP and how we look on the court. These young cats are not being taught how to win the way Nate teaches.

[thecampster]

8 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Is vs will be. I get that Jalen currently isn't a bust, but nire is predicting Jalen will be. 

So nire is currently making a prediction Jalen will be a bust. So in my mind, nire is currently calling Jalen a bust, but doesn't understand I'm refuting his prediction of Jalen being a bust. If that mental gymnastics makes sense.

Like I said, he stated a projection and now he has to live with it.

John Collins 5 games summer league rookie year in 23 MPG.

15.4 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 1APG, .8 SPG, .6 BPG, 59.3 FG%

Jalen Johnson through 3 games at 28 MPG.

17 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 1.7APG, .3 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 56.4 FG%

 

Basically Johnson is Collins so far in summer league. less than 3% FG% difference.  JC was 3 months older when he played his first season of summer league.

 

2 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

I don't disagree about the talent gap on paper, but we are still jumping out on these teams, building and carrying a lead throughout the game. So it's not like we are getting outclassed. The eye-ball test doesn't suggest that we are inferior to our opponents at all. 

It looks a lot like last season before the coaching change where we were losing winnable games, and it was always late game execution that was the culprit. Execution can still fall on the players but I thought it was an interesting parallel between Matt Hill and LP and how we look on the court. These young cats are not being taught how to win the way Nate teaches.

As the game progresses, depth usually wins out. I'm not concerned about it.

Edited August 13, 2021 by thecampster