Kevin Huerter and Hawks begin talks on contract extension

[JayBirdHawk]

Let's play 'How much does KH get' (if he signs today).

I'm in for 4/$64

[NBASupes]

20 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

6 PM Eastern deadline.....under 8 hours to go. @thecampster @NBASupes any whispers?

It feels like it's either going to get done soon or it will go into the summer. I haven't gotten anything saying otherwise. 

[JayBirdHawk]

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It feels like it's either going to get done soon or it will go into the summer. I haven't gotten anything saying otherwise. 

Yeah...those are the two and only options with 7 hours to go. 

[Spud2nique]

4/68.

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Yeah...those are the two and only options with 7 hours to go. 

That’s awesome  classic Supes response I love it.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[thecampster]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Let's play 'How much does KH get' (if he signs today).

I'm in for 4/$64

Given Bridges got 4/90 yesterday and that Bridges played about 3 minutes more per game last season, grabbed 1 more rebound per game but produced 1 less assist while scoring 1.6 more points per game, you'd think he and Kevin would be closer.  But there are 2 very important stats here.  Bridges shot 11.1% better from the floor and 6.2% better from 3 (not to mention 6% better at the line).  Bridges also gave us .3 less turnovers per game than Kevin while blocking .6 more shots per game.  

These "differences" are the difference why Bridges has a 4 point higher PER and contributes significantly more to winning. Remember that most NBA games are within 5 points in the last 5 minutes. Those nudges can be the difference between 5 or more wins per year.

Bridges did enough last year to boost himself from a 4/50 player to a 4/90.  Kevin did enough to go from 4/40 to 4/60 with his improved defense but his metrics don't pan out to much more than that.

 

 

[thecampster]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

6 PM Eastern deadline.....under 8 hours to go. @thecampster @NBASupes any whispers?

From what I'm hearing, they've been close for about a week now but Bridges deal threw a bit of a monkey wrench into this.

You have to think about the effect on next year's cap (forget LT).  As long as Kevin is not extended, he is a better cap hold next year ($12.76) million than his prospective salary would be.  So extending Kevin at $13 mil to start actually puts the Hawks $.25 million worse into the salary cap at the start of next season (and by extension...every dollar after that has the same effect).  Bridges' deal supported Kevin's team's case about value and gave them hope that betting on Kevin could play out well.  

Make no mistake though, Kevin is not a lock to get paid next year. An injury could derail his potential salary as could another sub 37% shooting from 3 year. There is incentive to get a deal for Kevin done from both sides but that $12.76 million cap hold for next year is your hedge line....the Bridges' deal might have moved that for K'von's team and that may have changed the Hawks' plans for what to do next season.

[JayBirdHawk]

8 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Kevin did enough to go from 4/40 to 4/60 with his improved defense but his metrics don't pan out to much more than that.

I'm also giving KH a bump for his ability to transition from playing 1 thru 3 and starting and coming off the bench....he makes it look effortless.

[AHF]

7 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Given Bridges got 4/90 yesterday and that Bridges played about 3 minutes more per game last season, grabbed 1 more rebound per game but produced 1 less assist while scoring 1.6 more points per game, you'd think he and Kevin would be closer.  But there are 2 very important stats here.  Bridges shot 11.1% better from the floor and 6.2% better from 3 (not to mention 6% better at the line).  Bridges also gave us .3 less turnovers per game than Kevin while blocking .6 more shots per game.  

These "differences" are the difference why Bridges has a 4 point higher PER and contributes significantly more to winning. Remember that most NBA games are within 5 points in the last 5 minutes. Those nudges can be the difference between 5 or more wins per year.

Bridges did enough last year to boost himself from a 4/50 player to a 4/90.  Kevin did enough to go from 4/40 to 4/60 with his improved defense but his metrics don't pan out to much more than that.

 

 

That is a very fair comparison.

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

From what I'm hearing, they've been close for about a week now but Bridges deal threw a bit of a monkey wrench into this.

You have to think about the effect on next year's cap (forget LT).  As long as Kevin is not extended, he is a better cap hold next year ($12.76) million than his prospective salary would be.  So extending Kevin at $13 mil to start actually puts the Hawks $.25 million worse into the salary cap at the start of next season (and by extension...every dollar after that has the same effect).  Bridges' deal supported Kevin's team's case about value and gave them hope that betting on Kevin could play out well.  

Make no mistake though, Kevin is not a lock to get paid next year. An injury could derail his potential salary as could another sub 37% shooting from 3 year. There is incentive to get a deal for Kevin done from both sides but that $12.76 million cap hold for next year is your hedge line....the Bridges' deal might have moved that for K'von's team and that may have changed the Hawks' plans for what to do next season.

 Bridges is way better than Kevin.

[mrhonline]

Fulfilling my role as contrarian ---

The Hawks are over the cap for the foreseeable future, so Kevin's cap hold is irrelevant. All that matters is the value on the deal.

[thecampster]

22 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

Fulfilling my role as contrarian ---

The Hawks are over the cap for the foreseeable future, so Kevin's cap hold is irrelevant. All that matters is the value on the deal.

dig deeper on next year's expirings,  and consider that 1 or 2 of Bogi, Gallo, OO, Cam, Kev, Hunter could be packaged at the trade deadline.

Edited October 18, 2021 by thecampster

[swanlee]

Yea pay him, let's keep this core together for several years to see if we can win a title.

[mrhonline]

25 minutes ago, thecampster said:

dig deeper on next year's expirings,  and consider that 1 or 2 of Bogi, Gallo, OO, Cam, Kev, Hunter could be packaged at the trade deadline.

There's zero chance the Hawks could concoct a realistic trade large enough to get them far enough under the cap next year for Kevin's cap hold to matter.

[Spud2nique]

 

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Done  

[sturt]

Count me as stunned.

 

[capstone21]

Excellent job Travis!  Very reasonable deal!  Another great offseason complete 

[AHF]

6 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Let's play 'How much does KH get' (if he signs today).

I'm in for 4/$64

Not even close.  4/$64?  Just how cheap do you think the Hawks are?!?  

4/$65.  That is more like it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Nice work predicting that one.)

[Spud2nique]

We made out like bandits. Schlenk is a f*ckin genius!

[JTB]

Wow that’s a damn steal for that kid!