De'Andre Hunter Signs Extension:4yrs/$95 million

[Peoriabird]

22 minutes ago, Diesel said:

70 Million. 

While Bazemore got $84 mil 5 years ago?  The logic is always amazing here

[RedDawg#8]

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

While Bazemore got $84 mil 5 years ago?  The logic is always amazing here

Don’t even remind me. That was the beginning of the end for Bud the GM.

[AHF]

12 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

While Bazemore got $84 mil 5 years ago?  The logic is always amazing here

LOL 

Using Bazemore as a benchmark is a big fail.  Bazemore was grossly overpaid due to an unprecedented rise in the cap creating massive amounts of money for free agents and the overpay was obviously terrible from the moment it happened.

A better comparison for Hunter is Mikal Bridges who is a rich man's Hunter.  Bridges got 4 years and $90M.

[macdaddy]

2 hours ago, AHF said:

LOL 

Using Bazemore as a benchmark is a big fail.  Bazemore was grossly overpaid due to an unprecedented rise in the cap creating massive amounts of money for free agents and the overpay was obviously terrible from the moment it happened.

A better comparison for Hunter is Mikal Bridges who is a rich man's Hunter.  Bridges got 4 years and $90M.

Hunter had a good year even though i like to hate on him.  Most importantly he played 67 games.  

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

Most importantly he played 67 games.  

That's the biggest thing.

[h4wkfan]

I think his real value is 4/80, but some team probably would offer 4/100 or so. I think we paid FMV and did not get a “good” deal … just a fair one.  

[Peoriabird]

48 minutes ago, h4wkfan said:

I think his real value is 4/80, but some team probably would offer 4/100 or so. I think we paid FMV and did not get a “good” deal … just a fair one.  

I wonder what Trae's real value is if the Hawks struggle to win more so when Dre was out vs  when Trae was out this past year.

[h4wkfan]

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

I wonder what Trae's real value is if the Hawks struggle to win more so when Dre was out vs  when Trae was out this past year.

In imaginary land. You build a team around Dre. I build a team around trae. Let me know who does better. 
 

sometimes playing devils advocate is pretty silly. 

[NBASupes]

8 hours ago, AHF said:

LOL 

Using Bazemore as a benchmark is a big fail.  Bazemore was grossly overpaid due to an unprecedented rise in the cap creating massive amounts of money for free agents and the overpay was obviously terrible from the moment it happened.

A better comparison for Hunter is Mikal Bridges who is a rich man's Hunter.  Bridges got 4 years and $90M.

Bridges isn't a benchmark because people are willing to do better trades for him than Trae who's maxed. Bridges is a benchmark like Horford 1st deal of a player on a steal of a contract for his value like Steph and Klay. 

[AHF]

15 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Bridges isn't a benchmark because people are willing to do better trades for him than Trae who's maxed. Bridges is a benchmark like Horford 1st deal of a player on a steal of a contract for his value like Steph and Klay. 

There is no reason in the world Bridges should have gotten less than Hunter.  If Hunter's contract is FMV, we should see Cameron Johnson, Desmond Bain, Devin Vassell, and others get significantly more this offseason.  I'm content to wait and see how those come in and where he stacks up if we want to consider Bridges to be an outlier.

The biggest risk the Hawks took with signing him that early was that he wouldn't be healthy, and he only missed 1/5 of the season so that is a career best and great news.  If he has another 30 game, 50 game sort of season on his new contract that is going to be a bit of a disaster (unless it is on the high end of that and he makes his Kawhi leap in the meantime).

[RedDawg#8]

Hunters deal was based on him having potential to do what Mikal just did when he got sent to Brooklyn.

MIkal's deal was very generous for a guy who, at the time of signing it before the 2021 season, had only just averaged double digits for the first time (13.5 ppg)

Mikal was still seen as a defensive specialist who could space the floor. He was, in 2021, viewed as more limited than Dre, who had just flashed the potential to be a star player. Coming in to this season, I would wager that both were viewed equally, with Bridges the more established defender. 

I doubt the Suns truly saw a go to 20+ ppg player in Bridges, because if they did, they wouldn't have shipped him and other assets off for KD leaving them without any depth.

Dre could realistically have a similar explosion if given the ball and the keys to an offense. But that won't happen here, just like it would not have happened for Bridges in PHX.

In the end we are talking about 4/90mil versus 4/95. 

 

[Peoriabird]

52 minutes ago, AHF said:

There is no reason in the world Bridges should have gotten less than Hunter.  If Hunter's contract is FMV, we should see Cameron Johnson, Desmond Bain, Devin Vassell, and others get significantly more this offseason.  I'm content to wait and see how those come in and where he stacks up if we want to consider Bridges to be an outlier.

The biggest risk the Hawks took with signing him that early was that he wouldn't be healthy, and he only missed 1/5 of the season so that is a career best and great news.  If he has another 30 game, 50 game sort of season on his new contract that is going to be a bit of a disaster (unless it is on the high end of that and he makes his Kawhi leap in the meantime).

Is the contract too rich because of his health or his play? if is his health, should we be concerned about other Hawk's contracts and health like Bogdanovic?.  Capela always seems to me nicked up as well.

[Peoriabird]

7 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Hunters deal was based on him having potential to do what Mikal just did when he got sent to Brooklyn.

MIkal's deal was very generous for a guy who, at the time of signing it before the 2021 season, had only just averaged double digits for the first time (13.5 ppg)

Mikal was still seen as a defensive specialist who could space the floor. He was, in 2021, viewed as more limited than Dre, who had just flashed the potential to be a star player. Coming in to this season, I would wager that both were viewed equally, with Bridges the more established defender. 

I doubt the Suns truly saw a go to 20+ ppg player in Bridges, because if they did, they wouldn't have shipped him and other assets off for KD leaving them without any depth.

Dre could realistically have a similar explosion if given the ball and the keys to an offense. But that won't happen here, just like it would not have happened for Bridges in PHX.

In the end we are talking about 4/90mil versus 4/95. 

 

You are sounding too reasonable here.  This is Hatesquawk which doesn't allow reason around here!

[macdaddy]

9 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Dre could realistically have a similar explosion if given the ball and the keys to an offense. But that won't happen here, just like it would not have happened for Bridges in PHX.

Most of what you said i agree with but i very much disagree with this.  Dre is a below average ball handler (well below). and a terrible passer.  Giving him the ball more isn't going to be a good idea.  

[Peoriabird]

5 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Most of what you said i agree with but i very much disagree with this.  Dre is a below average ball handler (well below). and a terrible passer.  Giving him the ball more isn't going to be a good idea.  

And of course He will never get better at ball handling...He is what he is right?  Just like Trae will never get better at defense...Oh Wait

[macdaddy]

Just now, Peoriabird said:

And of course He will never get better at ball handling...He is what he is right?  Just like Trae will never get better at defense...Oh Wait

Sure there's always hope i guess.   

Trae getting better at D was all about effort.

 

[warcore]

20 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Most of what you said i agree with but i very much disagree with this.  Dre is a below average ball handler (well below). and a terrible passer.  Giving him the ball more isn't going to be a good idea.  

Someone made a Boris Diaw joke the other day.....

And it just got me thinking... the way Boris sucked with us because they were making him play the 1, when he wasn't a great ball handler. 
Then he goes to PHO and is played at the 5 and he blows up. 

It might be time to move Dre to the 4 and see what happens.... his handles just aren't good enough for a 3. 

[Peoriabird]

5 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Sure there's always hope i guess.   

Trae getting better at D was all about effort.

 

Last offseason was the 1st offseason where he was healthy enough to do any work to improve his skills and he did.  He is healthy again this offseason so I expect him to continue to improve at the offensive end.  We all knew that the transition from playing power forward in college to full time 3 was going to take some time.  I guess some fans don't have the patients to wait even though it took Bridges 5 years and a change of scenery to average 20 ppg

[Final_quest]

17 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Most of what you said i agree with but i very much disagree with this.  Dre is a below average ball handler (well below). and a terrible passer.  Giving him the ball more isn't going to be a good idea.  

Nearly exactly my thoughts.  I do not understand the love people have for Hunter.  He's paid to be a defensive specialist and 3rd option, but he's not that great at either.  Sure, he's our best perimeter defender.  For where we drafted him and what we are paying for him he's meeting the minimum of those expectations.  What is so great about that?

Anyone who thinks he could be a go to scorer like Mikal became for Brooklyn...I don't see it at all.  

[macdaddy]

10 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Last offseason was the 1st offseason where he was healthy enough to do any work to improve his skills and he did.  He is healthy again this offseason so I expect him to continue to improve at the offensive end.  We all knew that the transition from playing power forward in college to full time 3 was going to take some time.  I guess some fans don't have the patients to wait even though it took Bridges 5 years and a change of scenery to average 20 ppg

But he had the skills to do it the whole time. That's the obvious difference.