The Official NBASupes, Sothron, and theCampster Insider Thread - NBA 2022-23 Season

[sturt]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

All 3 can be true..... Just sayin...

Right. Of course. Can be.

Just never seem to read that being the complaint... normally about one of the other two.

But maybe I need to read more than I do.

 

[shakes]

47 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Wasn't this LPs strategy?

 that was a joke right?        Pretty sure Thibs has never taken his team to the mall for movie night.

[sturt]

43 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Wasn't this LPs strategy?

To be fair, LP seemed to me to try really really hard to be a combination of warm fuzzy brother and cold hard drill sergeant, depending on the rest of the ecology of the moment.

Honestly, I can imagine LP being a pretty successful coach in his next gig, if he gets one. I think he just needed a ride with training wheels to learn better how to balance things. He's not a dumb guy in the least. Very intelligent. And I don't think Pop and others who rose to his defense when he was fired do that for every other coach who gets let go... I think they saw the same thing in him. He just needed some time to age and mature, and possibly still does. But his day's coming, I believe.

 

[shakes]

16 minutes ago, sturt said:

So, in your opinion, it's not lack of talent, it's not lack of Xs and Os.... we just have too many lazy ass prima donnas.

Hmm.

That's a lot different than what I usually read here.

D.  All of the above.

[sturt]

3 minutes ago, shakes said:

One of my all time favorite players. 

 

............... woulda never guessed that in a quadrillion years. (hehe)

 

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, shakes said:

I wouldn't touch Jackson with ten foot strand of rosary beads.

That's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying (in reference to your comment)  Was he the guy who came in and created discipline and allowed Kerr to walk into a championship team?

 

[shakes]

6 minutes ago, Diesel said:

That's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying (in reference to your comment)  Was he the guy who came in and created discipline and allowed Kerr to walk into a championship team?

 

ahh I gotcha.    Good question.    If the answer is yes it makes a good case for bringing in a disciplinarian.    

[JayBirdHawk]

Meanwhile.....

Teams interested in Bogdan Bogdanovic

But league sources say the Hawks have no shortage of trade interest in Bogdan Bogdanović as well — as in “half the league is calling” type stuff. The 30-year-old guard has a player option for $18 million next season, so most teams would understandably view him as a short-term rental (with the hopes of re-signing him if he opts out). To this point, the Hawks haven’t shown much interest in moving him. Capela could certainly help most teams and would yield a good return, but he continues to have the kind of chemistry with Young that likely means he’s going nowhere. If you somehow haven’t noticed, it’s quite important for this iteration of the Hawks to maximize Young’s powers.

 

– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

 Top Rumors, Trade, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Atlanta Hawks

 

 

Young isn’t going anywhere. The same goes for Murray. Collins is the most likely one on the way out, of course, and it’s worth repeating that the asking price is known to have decreased significantly from recent years (per league sources, there is a focus on landing a quality player, or players, in return but no mandate for a first-round pick). That development is clearly a reflection of the focus on salvaging this season, as opposed to recouping the vast assets lost in the Murray trade with San Antonio in the summer. As we’ve reported recently, the Jazz and Rockets are known to be among the teams in pursuit.

 

– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

 Trade, John Collins, Trae Young, Houston Rockets, 

[thecampster]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Meanwhile.....

Teams interested in Bogdan Bogdanovic

But league sources say the Hawks have no shortage of trade interest in Bogdan Bogdanović as well — as in “half the league is calling” type stuff. The 30-year-old guard has a player option for $18 million next season, so most teams would understandably view him as a short-term rental (with the hopes of re-signing him if he opts out). To this point, the Hawks haven’t shown much interest in moving him. Capela could certainly help most teams and would yield a good return, but he continues to have the kind of chemistry with Young that likely means he’s going nowhere. If you somehow haven’t noticed, it’s quite important for this iteration of the Hawks to maximize Young’s powers.

 

– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

 Top Rumors, Trade, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Atlanta Hawks

 

 

Young isn’t going anywhere. The same goes for Murray. Collins is the most likely one on the way out, of course, and it’s worth repeating that the asking price is known to have decreased significantly from recent years (per league sources, there is a focus on landing a quality player, or players, in return but no mandate for a first-round pick). That development is clearly a reflection of the focus on salvaging this season, as opposed to recouping the vast assets lost in the Murray trade with San Antonio in the summer. As we’ve reported recently, the Jazz and Rockets are known to be among the teams in pursuit.

 

– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

 Trade, John Collins, Trae Young, Houston Rockets, 

Hype gen plant articles...I love it.

 

[sturt]

20 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Stu and Shakes in one gif!

Over my head. But that's fine.

None of this is personal. Battle (per kg)? There's no battle.

He (shakes) and every other poster is welcome to their right to an opinion. He and every other person is welcome to point out and make the case for discrepancies, overstatements and understatements they see that, as they choose. As am I. Nothing to see here.

[sturt]

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Meanwhile.....

Teams interested in Bogdan Bogdanovic

But league sources say the Hawks have no shortage of trade interest in Bogdan Bogdanović as well — as in “half the league is calling” type stuff. The 30-year-old guard has a player option for $18 million next season, so most teams would understandably view him as a short-term rental (with the hopes of re-signing him if he opts out). To this point, the Hawks haven’t shown much interest in moving him. Capela could certainly help most teams and would yield a good return, but he continues to have the kind of chemistry with Young that likely means he’s going nowhere. If you somehow haven’t noticed, it’s quite important for this iteration of the Hawks to maximize Young’s powers.

 

– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

 Top Rumors, Trade, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Atlanta Hawks

 

 

Young isn’t going anywhere. The same goes for Murray. Collins is the most likely one on the way out, of course, and it’s worth repeating that the asking price is known to have decreased significantly from recent years (per league sources, there is a focus on landing a quality player, or players, in return but no mandate for a first-round pick). That development is clearly a reflection of the focus on salvaging this season, as opposed to recouping the vast assets lost in the Murray trade with San Antonio in the summer. As we’ve reported recently, the Jazz and Rockets are known to be among the teams in pursuit.

 

– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic

 Trade, John Collins, Trae Young, Houston Rockets, 

(Perhaps we can do away, then, with the "Trade Deadline" thread?)

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

@Spud2nique, get the popcorn.  Stu v shakes battle underway... 

where’s the 2 claps dance emoji  aka LESSSS ROLL!

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, sturt said:

Come here, ya big lug... I can't stay mad at you.....

 Now kiss! 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, sturt said:

Over my head. But that's fine.

It's not over your head if you simply view it for what it is - a picture of someone named Stu shaking.  Stu vs Shakes.  Just a gif that I found to be funny.
No harm intended.  

 

[LucastheThird]

1 hour ago, sturt said:

Over my head. But that's fine.

 

I can help here.

Your name Sturt was shortened to Stu and the picture was shaking.

 

Sturt and Shakes in the same picture. 

 

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. 

[Wretch]

22 hours ago, Sothron said:

If @NBASupes and @thecampster want to chime in on what I posted below please feel free. I got this from two sources in the Hawks so I feel comfortable enough to share it with their blessing.

Got a more detailed update today from hawks sources.

Basically they think the mood has shifted in the FO about JC. Now they want to keep him at least through the summer and see if they can get a big name back in a trade or just keep him. Fields is correctly telling teams they view JC as a positive asset and they are not going to salary dump him like they did with Huerter. 

They have reached out to Chicago about Caruso but the price was too high. Same with the Pacers on TJ McConnell. The problem is both compensation and in trying to get salaries off our books so we don't pay the LT this season. 

It sounds like PHX has backed off the big trade. There's still a chance of it happening but it sounded like it was actually closer to happening once Ayton could be traded than it is now. The reason why is because PHX and other teams are scared of Bogi's knee and his health. 

Nick Ressler and the FO are in fact trying to convince Tony Ressler to pay the LT next season so they can keep this team together and use the MLE to try and improve the roster. The FO thinks if they keep JC and Harden does walk to Houston and Embiid wants out that we could offer Philly a good trade package for Embiid. JC and Capela would be in the trade offer. 

If that doesn't happen they still feel they can move JC and Capela either together or in separate deals to get a better team in the offseason. The FO wants OO to start at center next season unless they upgrade at the center position. There has been more quiet talk about seeing what value Trae would have around the league but Nick Ressler will never trade him unless Trae asks to be traded. And that's not happening. 

The FO is hoping Nate retires so they are off the hook on his contract in the offseason. It sounds 100% that Nate is going to retire at the end of the season. He is fed up dealing with Trae, the fans, the media and the FO situation. They want to make a big name hire to impress the fans, media and the team with how serious they are about competing for a title. They also feel convincing Tony to pay the LT will go a long way to getting a better coach in the offseason as well as what quality players they could get with the MLE.  The next coach will be asked to be more higher in pace, take more three's and be more "relatable" to the younger players. I was told D'antoni is basically rubbing his hands praying he gets the job offer. Synder, Atkinson, Udoka are the other big names. They are looking at young assistant coaches but the feeling is if they want to make a big hire you can't do that with a young assistant coach.

KAT is still in play in the offseason if the Embiid situation falls through. The FO really wants to add a third star around Trae and DJM and they know the only place for that to happen is at either center of power forward. Hunter's skill set is too valuable to trade so he's not going anywhere. The FO is really looking hard at possible center and PF upgrades to the roster. They like JC and Capela but feel one of them can go (at least) to make an upgrade to the front court.

So about all this...

Salvaging the season and making a push.
Absolutely not if it means mortgaging assets.  This is at the top of my NBA pet peeves 1) refusing to rebuild 2) meddling 3) mortgaging assets to make a "push."  Trades are fine, but there needs to be a plan for the returning assets beyond the season and under no circumstances should we be trading anything with long term value/potential with the prime goal of just making the playoffs and getting slapped around in the 2nd round.

Like...I'm not trading Joe Johnson for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers.
 

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Who got the better of the deal?
Boston.

Why?
Acquiring Delk and Rogers, should provide Boston more weapons on offense; however, neither Tony nor Rodney are famous being good man to man defenders.  “This is like one of those baseball trades that you see in the second half of the season with the purpose of trying to bolster your team,” said Celtics general manager Chris Wallace. “We acquired two veterans who are proven scorers. We'll have more offensive punch than we've ever had for the stretch run. Looking at the Eastern Conference, it's so wide open, why not take a shot?  “Second, we wanted to reduce our overall payroll and put us in a better position to handle the luxury tax in 2002-03.”

Sound familiar?

JC/OO/Cap
If OO is our center, his shot and post up game need to be solidified.  He doesn't have to be Embiid, but he can't be here and duplicate the issue we have with Cap in that we turn JC into a spot up shooter.  They need to be consistent inside and out and we need a good scheme to make it work.  We'd still be a little undersized, but all that matters is W's.

I don't want to trade Cap, JC, or OO...but something has to give with 3 starter quality guys and probably a less than ideal fit between any two of them.

Nate
Nate is a good coach in the wrong situation.  He's also stubborn.  I'll stop short of critiquing his knowledge/X's and O's, because this is a former NBA player (point guard at that) who has coached at this high level for a long time.  I'd just be speaking out of turn.  There is a disconnect though between his play calling, his rotations, our record, our up and down patterns, and with the players.  I think he'd be served well with different assistants or maybe trusting the ones he has if that's the issue. *shrug*

New Coach
We don't need discipline or a "no nonsense" type guy.  We simply need a guy with better situational awareness and better X's/O's...and not just better actually.  We need whatever the coaching equivalent is to Trae Young or DJM.  We need an "all star" quality coach that fits.

Trading Trae

Spoiler

Trading for a 3rd star
Cool.  Do not include AJ.

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, Wretch said:

So about all this...

Salvaging the season and making a push.
Absolutely not if it means mortgaging assets.  This is at the top of my NBA pet peeves 1) refusing to rebuild 2) meddling 3) mortgaging assets to make a "push."  Trades are fine, but there needs to be a plan for the returning assets beyond the season and under no circumstances should we be trading anything with long term value/potential with the prime goal of just making the playoffs and getting slapped around in the 2nd round.

Like...I'm not trading Joe Johnson for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers.
 

Sound familiar?

JC/OO/Cap
If OO is our center, his shot and post up game need to be solidified.  He doesn't have to be Embiid, but he can't be here and duplicate the issue we have with Cap in that we turn JC into a spot up shooter.  They need to be consistent inside and out and we need a good scheme to make it work.  We'd still be a little undersized, but all that matters is W's.

I don't want to trade Cap, JC, or OO...but something has to give with 3 starter quality guys and probably a less than ideal fit between any two of them.

Nate
Nate is a good coach in the wrong situation.  He's also stubborn.  I'll stop short of critiquing his knowledge/X's and O's, because this is a former NBA player (point guard at that) who has coached at this high level for a long time.  I'd just be speaking out of turn.  There is a disconnect though between his play calling, his rotations, our record, our up and down patterns, and with the players.  I think he'd be served well with different assistants or maybe trusting the ones he has if that's the issue. *shrug*

New Coach
We don't need discipline or a "no nonsense" type guy.  We simply need a guy with better situational awareness and better X's/O's...and not just better actually.  We need whatever the coaching equivalent is to Trae Young or DJM.  We need an "all star" quality coach that fits.

Trading Trae

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Trading for a 3rd star
Cool.  Do not include AJ.

Murray is the one most likely to be moved for a 2nd star. The Hawks can't afford a 3rd star asset wise. 

 

I agree, trading AJ would be a massive mistake 

Edited February 1, 2023 by NBASupes

[yungsta]

10 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Murray is the one most likely to be moved for a 2nd star. The Hawks can't afford a 3rd star asset wise. 

 

I agree, trading AJ would be a massive mistake 

I agree that we can't afford to add another star.

When discussing potential trades, I think Hawks fans need to realize that the landscape of the trade market is completely lopsided to the sellers. The nba is as balanced as I have ever seen in the past couple of decades. Just 4 years ago, the KD warriors were destroying the nba and there were only 3-4 teams that were legit contenders.

Now, there are at least 10 teams that are gunning to be contenders so the asking price for talent is SUPER inflated right now. This is why I believe trading away Huerter for short term savings is going to hurt this team more in the long term than most people realize. Just imagine what the market value for Huerter is now.

With our lack of depth and depleting assets I don't see a realistic path to adding talent to the team. We will have to focus on improvement via internal development and better coaching.

 

 

[Wretch]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Murray is the one most likely to be moved for a 2nd star. The Hawks can't afford a 3rd star asset wise. 

 

I agree, trading AJ would be a massive mistake 

Word?

I mean... I get it I guess..but still...

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Murray is the one most likely to be moved for a 2nd star.

No. That's your hope in your KAT scenario.