TheNorthCydeRises Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 30 minutes ago, sturt said: Oh. So... you pronounce it "Jay-Haul" and "A-Haul" then? Forgive me. I presumed too much. There's nothing disrespectful then, even by my prudish standard. Never mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Diesel said: Let me tell you a little story Marco.... A few decades ago in the infancy of Hawksquwk.. we had a segment called "Ask the GM". Squawkers made up intelligent question and Pete Babcock was supposed to come on and answer a few. And everything went well. Babcock was a perfect guest and answered a few questions of Hawks fans on the #1 messageboard of the Hawks. I happened to run into Babcock a few months later in Hartsfield. We were both going to Pittsburgh. I said to him, that was a great thing you did on Hawksquawk.net. He looked at me all beady eyed and said.. "Hawksquawk.net What's that?" I take a lot of the "my sources" stuff as entertainment. Because there are some people who get a rise out of making themselves feel important enough to be in the know. I don't call anybody a liar because I don't know, it could be truth. However, even if it's true, how do we know that the source is not getting a rise? And how do we know if the source is not putting their own spin on stuff? What if the source really wants Nate fired. How easy would it be for the source to drop rumor about Nate on the #1 messageboard for the Hawks that they know that many media sources partake.. to get rumor out. People are lazy Marco. There are very few journalist in this day and time. Instead of getting it from somebody standing next to the man, standing next to the man, standing next to the man... I would just rather here it from THE MAN. No problem with that. Edited January 28, 2023 by marco102 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 @sturt Who was playing the role of Babcock on the "Ask the GM" Segment years ago?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member sturt Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Diesel said: I said to him, that was a great thing you did on Hawksquawk.net. He looked at me all beady eyed and said.. "Hawksquawk.net What's that?" Sooooooooooooo... wait... you think Arthur Triche (Hawks PR man back then and for so many years) played us, then? Honestly, I never even gave it a second thought. He seemed completely authentic to me. No, really. I'm thinking Babcock probably being so internet illiterate back then in the early days probably had someone else doing the typing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Diesel said: @sturt Who was playing the role of Babcock on the "Ask the GM" Segment years ago?? Diesel, I'm telling you as honestly as I can be, I have no reason to believe it wasn't Babcock. (See previous post.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, sturt said: Diesel, I'm telling you as honestly as I can be, I have no reason to believe it wasn't Babcock. (See previous post.) @sturt Thanks man. After talking to Babcock that day... I suspected that there were a lot of tomfoolery going on here.. or there. It's good to clear this up 20 years later. I didn't think about that he could have had somebody answering for him .. it just didn't hit me that way...and we were on a flight and I didn't want to come off as one of those groupie kind of people because I really didn't like him that much after he traded Nique... But thanks for clearing that up though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, sturt said: Again, if you like Ahole and Jhole, you're the boss of you, not me. who add's the E? Always 'Hol' for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, marco102 said: This goes on a lot more than people think. There was a famous example of a Vancouver Grizzlies writer/fan, its been so long I think it might have been an early sports blogger, who got to be the scorekeeper one game for the Grizz. He intentionally inflated Mike Bibby's assist numbers to show that (unlike hockey which was what he was comparing it to) NBA stats are very arbitrary. This also tied into the many years of John Stockton's assist numbers being questioned because in Utah he got a lot of assists that honestly I don't think he earned either. Stockton is still the greatest PG of all time don't get me wrong but some of those numbers he got were simply not earned. So seeing the Grizz scorekeeper artificially inflate JJJ's stats does not surprise me. Hawks fans old enough might remember the OPPOSITE happening to Deke. He was robbed both in Atlanta and on the road of not getting enough block credits. They would either credit another player or not give anyone credit for a block when it was obvious Deke got his hand on the ball to block it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, sturt said: Oh. So... you pronounce it "Jay-Haul" and "A-Haul" then? Forgive me. I presumed too much. There's nothing disrespectful then, even by my prudish standard. Never mind. Their last name is Holiday (as in holly) not Holy-Day @TheNorthCydeRises 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sothron said: This goes on a lot more than people think. There was a famous example of a Vancouver Grizzlies writer/fan, its been so long I think it might have been an early sports blogger, who got to be the scorekeeper one game for the Grizz. He intentionally inflated Mike Bibby's assist numbers to show that (unlike hockey which was what he was comparing it to) NBA stats are very arbitrary. This also tied into the many years of John Stockton's assist numbers being questioned because in Utah he got a lot of assists that honestly I don't think he earned either. Stockton is still the greatest PG of all time don't get me wrong but some of those numbers he got were simply not earned. So seeing the Grizz scorekeeper artificially inflate JJJ's stats does not surprise me. Hawks fans old enough might remember the OPPOSITE happening to Deke. He was robbed both in Atlanta and on the road of not getting enough block credits. They would either credit another player or not give anyone credit for a block when it was obvious Deke got his hand on the ball to block it. Everything you're saying is true. The exception here is JJJ is getting credited for blocks where he didn't touch the ball and steals where no change is possession happened. That's fiction and is over and beyond the usual home cookin'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Sothron Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Diesel said: @sturt Thanks man. After talking to Babcock that day... I suspected that there were a lot of tomfoolery going on here.. or there. It's good to clear this up 20 years later. I didn't think about that he could have had somebody answering for him .. it just didn't hit me that way...and we were on a flight and I didn't want to come off as one of those groupie kind of people because I really didn't like him that much after he traded Nique... But thanks for clearing that up though. I wasn't here for those days but on espn.com and the hawks.com site Babcock would answer questions from time to time by fans. On the hawks site they would do live Q&A with him and usually a Hawks player. That's how I got it confirmed that Jason Terry had a rivalry with Andre Miller that JT had hinted at earlier that season but he didn't give a name. I asked him if it was Miller and he confirmed it. It was definitely Pete Babcock in those "ask the gm" segments at least on espn and hawks.com. I know because I asked him on the phone when he kept picking so many of my questions to use in the chat he asked me for my email and we had conversations about the Hawks and the NBA. He's a good dude. He doesn't deserve a lot of the blame he gets. People forget Nique wanted a huge contract to stay in Atlanta and Pete knew Nique was not going to be able to physically live up to that. And he was right. People forget how bad Nique looked after the season he was traded when he went to Boston. I almost got hired from the Hawks back then. I talked with Pete over the phone when I was asking him about working for the Hawks. Almost got a scouting position but my wife wasn't keen on how much on the road I would be gone from home. I was willing to relocate to Atlanta to work directly in the front office in what was the video department those days but it didn't happen. I think Pete was disappointed I didn't jump at the chance to be a scout and I honestly can't blame him. Something I do regret but such is life. Anyways, long story short, that was probably the real Pete Babock over here at the Squawk. He was doing the same things over on the hawks.com and espn.com sites. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, kg01 said: Everything you're saying is true. The exception here is JJJ is getting credited for blocks where he didn't touch the ball and steals where no change is possession happened. That's fiction and is over and beyond the usual home cookin'. https://deadspin.com/an-assist-for-nick-van-exel-how-an-nba-scorekeeper-coo-30967240 Another Grizzlies example of a guy intentionally making up official numbers. He also admits to not crediting Deke for blocks simply because he didn't like him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 13 hours ago, marco102 said: Even JJ's improving with more playing time. he could low key become one of our most important pieces. We simply don't have another skill set of someone with that size that's able to push the rock himself and see the floor, using his height to his advantage. Keep giving him more PT, Nate.... - I mean! Someone keep forcing Nate to not be an idiot! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 58 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: who add's the E? Always 'Hol' for me. Pro-noun-see-aye-shun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 57 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Their last name is Holiday (as in holly) not Holy-Day @TheNorthCydeRises Right, but... so... when you wrote it "Hol".... sooooooooooo... it's not "Bole Bole" when Jay speaks about that guy Bol Bol, but "Ball Ball"... ? Hmm. Well, okay then. Thanks for clearing that up. Still, seems we have a dilemma. Who's really to say. To each his/her own, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, Sothron said: I wasn't here for those days but on espn.com and the hawks.com site Babcock would answer questions from time to time by fans. On the hawks site they would do live Q&A with him and usually a Hawks player. I participated in one of those... circa 99/2000. I was pushing on them to go after Ben Wallace before he blew up and for some reason I really liked Alvin Williams of the Raptors and was pushing for him to try and obtain his as a good PG fit.... were those the days of us starting... was his name Mike Wilkes at PG? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, sturt said: Who's really to say. To each his/her own, I suppose. Or, maybe not??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, sturt said: Right, but... so... when you wrote it "Hol".... sooooooooooo... it's not "Bole Bole" when Jay speaks about that guy Bol Bol, but "Ball Ball"... ? Hmm. Well, okay then. Thanks for clearing that up. Still, seems we have a dilemma. Who's really to say. To each his/her own, I suppose. Have at it. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/holiday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted January 28, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Have at it. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/holiday Oh. You're just going with his full last name now, then? JHoliday? Abandoning JHol? (I concur. JHol isn't so bad, but it leaves his brother in a ... dare I say crappy... spot. That is, unless there's a whole other anatomical reference that applies to JHol that I'm just too naive to know about. JHoliday is an improvement.) You're the boss of you. Have at it. (hehe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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