The Official NBASupes, Sothron, and theCampster Insider Thread - NBA 2022-23 Season

[sturt]

In other news, and to be clear, I'm calling Onyeka "Kong" from now on, but it's pronounced "Koe-ng"... just so people know. I don't want to be disrespectful of anyone. Ever. Even if they're a celebrity, and laws regarding malice don't apply anyhow.

[sturt]

More soberly, think the record might show (?) that JDay and ADay were fine... until they weren't. Someone had a problem with something that rolls (pronounced "roles") off the tongue quite so simply. Never said why exactly. Who knows. Indeed. Who knows.

hehehehe

[Diesel]

2 hours ago, Sothron said:

eople forget Nique wanted a huge contract to stay in Atlanta and Pete knew Nique was not going to be able to physically live up to that. And he was right. People forget how bad Nique looked after the season he was traded when he went to Boston.

Not to drudge up any mess but to drudge it up anyway.   We were the best team in the East and had just beaten a streaking Rockets team. Jordan was playing Baseball.   It was like it was finally our time and somebody goes to make a dumb trade because they were more concerned about the future cap than the present possibility.

As a Hawks fan, it told me.. The Hawks organization doesn't care about you. 

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1982-83	23	ATL	NBA	SF	82	82	32.9	7.3	14.9	.493	0.0	0.1	.182	7.3	14.7	.495	.493	2.8	4.1	.682	2.8	3.1	5.8	1.6	1.0	0.8	2.2	2.6	17.5
1983-84	24	ATL	NBA	SF	81	81	36.6	8.4	17.6	.479	0.0	0.1	.000	8.4	17.5	.482	.479	4.7	6.1	.770	3.1	4.0	7.2	1.6	1.4	1.1	2.7	2.4	21.6
1984-85	25	ATL	NBA	SF	81	81	37.3	10.5	23.3	.451	0.3	1.0	.309	10.2	22.3	.457	.458	6.0	7.4	.806	2.8	4.1	6.9	2.5	1.7	0.7	2.8	2.1	27.4
1985-86	26	ATL	NBA	SF	78	78	39.1	11.4	24.3	.468	0.2	0.9	.186	11.2	23.4	.479	.472	7.4	9.0	.818	3.3	4.6	7.9	2.6	1.8	0.6	3.2	2.2	30.3
1986-87	27	ATL	NBA	SF	79	79	37.6	10.5	22.6	.463	0.4	1.3	.292	10.1	21.3	.474	.472	7.7	9.4	.818	2.7	3.6	6.3	3.3	1.5	0.6	2.7	1.9	29.0
1987-88	28	ATL	NBA	SF	78	76	37.8	11.7	25.1	.464	0.5	1.7	.295	11.2	23.4	.476	.474	6.9	8.4	.826	2.7	3.7	6.4	2.9	1.3	0.6	2.8	2.1	30.7
1988-89	29	ATL	NBA	SF	80	80	37.5	10.2	22.0	.464	0.4	1.3	.276	9.8	20.6	.475	.472	5.5	6.6	.844	3.2	3.7	6.9	2.6	1.5	0.7	2.3	1.7	26.2
1989-90	30	ATL	NBA	SF	80	79	36.1	10.1	20.9	.484	0.7	2.3	.322	9.4	18.6	.504	.502	5.7	7.1	.807	2.7	3.8	6.5	2.5	1.6	0.6	2.2	1.8	26.7
1990-91	31	ATL	NBA	SF	81	81	38.0	9.5	20.2	.470	1.0	3.1	.341	8.5	17.2	.492	.495	5.9	7.1	.829	3.2	5.8	9.0	3.3	1.5	0.8	2.5	1.9	25.9
1991-92	32	ATL	NBA	SF	42	42	38.1	10.1	21.8	.464	0.9	3.0	.289	9.2	18.7	.492	.484	7.0	8.4	.835	2.5	4.6	7.0	3.8	1.2	0.6	2.9	1.8	28.1
1992-93	33	ATL	NBA	SF	71	70	37.3	10.4	22.3	.468	1.7	4.5	.380	8.7	17.9	.490	.506	7.3	8.8	.828	2.6	4.2	6.8	3.2	1.0	0.4	2.6	1.6	29.9
1993-94	34	TOT	NBA	SF	74	74	35.6	9.4	21.5	.440	1.1	4.0	.288	8.3	17.5	.474	.466	6.0	7.1	.847	2.5	4.0	6.5	2.3	1.2	0.4	2.3	1.7	26.0
1993-94	34	ATL	NBA	SF	49	49	34.4	8.8	20.3	.432	1.2	4.0	.308	7.5	16.3	.462	.462	5.6	6.6	.854	2.4	3.8	6.2	2.3	1.3	0.4	2.4	1.8	24.4
1993-94	34	LAC	NBA	SF	25	25	37.9	10.7	23.7	.453	1.0	3.9	.247	9.8	19.8	.493	.473	6.7	8.0	.835	2.5	4.5	7.0	2.2	1.2	0.3	2.1	1.6	29.1
1994-95	35	BOS	NBA	SF	77	64	31.5	6.4	15.2	.424	1.5	3.8	.388	5.0	11.4	.436	.472	3.5	4.4	.782	2.0	3.2	5.2	2.2	0.8	0.2	2.2	1.7	17.8
1995-96	36	Did Not Play (other pro league—Greece)
1996-97	37	SAS	NBA	SF	63	26	30.9	6.3	15.1	.417	1.1	3.8	.293	5.2	11.3	.458	.453	4.5	5.6	.803	2.7	3.7	6.4	1.9	0.6	0.5	2.1	1.6	18.2
1997-98	38	Did Not Play (other pro league—Italy)
1998-99	39	ORL	NBA	SF	27	2	9.3	1.9	4.9	.379	0.2	0.7	.263	1.7	4.2	.398	.398	1.1	1.6	.690	1.1	1.5	2.6	0.6	0.1	0.0	0.9	0.7	5.0

 

As far as the future.  The rest of that season, Niue was 29.1 ppg on 45.3% shooting.   It was just a hurtful thing...  And that Boston team... sucked.   Dee Brown and Montross. 

 

[Diesel]

HAWKS PUT HALT TO ROCKETS' STREAK

 

 

 

By Ed Shearer

December 4, 1993

ATLANTA, DEC. 3 -- The Houston Rockets were far from perfect tonight.

"When we bust the bubble, we bust the bubble, don't we?" Houston Coach Rudy Tomjanovich said after the Atlanta Hawks routed Houston, 133-111.

Houston fell one victory shy of becoming the first National Basketball Association team to start a season with 16 consecutive wins.

"In 16 games, we are going to have a night like this," Tomjanovich said. "I'm not making any excuses. We played a real good team and they kicked our butts in all phases of the game."

Mookie Blaylock scored 28 points and Dominique Wilkins added 27 for the Hawks, who have won 10 straight. Atlanta steadily pulled away after Stacey Augmon broke a 9-9 tie on a short lane jumper just over three minutes in.

The Rockets appeared tired, playing one night after they beat the New York Knicks 94-85 to tie the mark for victories at the start of a season, set 45 years ago by the Washington Capitols. The Capitols also lost badly in game No. 16 -- 94-78 to the Indianapolis Jets.

In becoming the first team to beat the Rockets, the Hawks also stated their case as a team to be reckoned with, becoming the first to score 100 points against Houston this season.

"Houston is such a good team that what we wanted to do was come out and jump on them right away," Hawks Coach Lenny Wilkens said. "You don't want to let a team like that get life because they have a lot of weapons out there."

Hakeem Olajuwon, averaging 26.1 points and 13.5 rebounds, was held to 17 points and seven rebounds. He sat out the final quarter after the Hawks built a 96-71 lead at the end of three quarters.

"I think Atlanta played a fantastic game," Olajuwon said. "I look at the end of the streak as a new beginning. We know we are going to lose sometimes. It is not a question of if, it is just a question of when."Vernon Maxwell led the Rockets with 26 points.

A sellout crowd of 16,368 roared their approval throughout the rout as the Hawks remained unbeaten at home this season (8-0). Atlanta's overall winning streak now is the longest active one in the NBA.

"I don't know when we've ever played like that," Wilkins said. "We were fired up. But we want to congratulate them on their great achievement. We want to be happy, but it's early, so we have to keep things in perspective."

"The Hawks went out and played a great game tonight," Maxwell said. "They out-hustled us and out-played us. During the streak, on different nights, different guys would pick us up, but tonight it didn't happen."

It was apparent early that this was Atlanta's game. The Hawks led by 19 early in the second quarter, by 20 at halftime and by 34 in the third period.

Atlanta reached 100 points with 10:02 to play when Augmon scored on a hard dunk for a 101-73 lead.

Houston's only threat -- and it wasn't much of one -- came on an 11-2 run in the third when Atlanta's lead went from 94-60 to 96-71. Maxwell made a three-pointer and a 21-footer and Olajuwon converted a three-point play in the spurt.

Robert Horry, who had 19 points, was charged with a technical on the final play of the third quarter when he shoved Craig Ehlo in the back.

Blaylock made the technical to start the final quarter and came back moments later with a layup that made it 99-73.

Augmon added 18 points and Kevin Willis had 12 points and eight rebounds. Ehlo contributed 10 points and four second-quarter steals that helped the Hawks take control.

Atlanta shot 53 percent from the field, becoming the first team to shoot better than 50 percent against Houston this season.

[bird_dirt]

More than one things can be true. It could be possible that Nate has done some work to improve the team over the season, while simultaneously not being the best coach for the team. I hope he keeps improving the team, gets Trae used to buying into playing defense, and show well in the playoffs.
 

Then I hope they thank him for his service and send him on his way with a gold watch. Good job, Nate, thanks for doing your best. Enjoy your next project in Detroit or wherever you end up. 
 

The summer will be the time to bring in a new coach, players, and system to unlock the untapped potential of our best players. Hopefully Nick will convince his dad to drop some real coin with this new direction. 

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, bird_dirt said:

More than one things can be true. It could be possible that Nate has done some work to improve the team over the season, while simultaneously not being the best coach for the team. I hope he keeps improving the team, gets Trae used to buying into playing defense, and show well in the playoffs.
 

Then I hope they thank him for his service and send him on his way with a gold watch. Good job, Nate, thanks for doing your best. Enjoy your next project in Detroit or wherever you end up. 
 

The summer will be the time to bring in a new coach, players, and system to unlock the untapped potential of our best players. Hopefully Nick will convince his dad to drop some real coin with this new direction. 

In other words, you're hoping we're successful but not too successful?

If Nate takes us to the finals, you know he has to stay right?

 

[sturt]

1 hour ago, bird_dirt said:

The summer will be the time

It might.

But the time to root against Nate isn't right now.

Unless that's actually the whole point... instead of winning.

If we assume for the moment that he wins in the way he won two seasons ago, it becomes increasingly more difficult to make the case.

Saying what we all know, but tend to ignore, there has rarely if ever been a coach that wasn't, at some point, second-guessed by fans in a big way. No matter who you replace him with, that's just going to happen, sooner or later. It's just the state of play.

When GMs start hiring fans on message board to be head coaches, maybe then, I for one will have a change of attitude. For whatever reason that still hasn't happened. Even once. It's not that none of us know the game, it's that none of us have earned that level of respect among the people who have real money riding on the success or failure of a team.

From where I sit, it's so self-inflated, so disinterested in critical thought for people--fans of any team, in any sport, and not just ours--to attaboy each other as-if they have such a full appraisal of all that's going on with the team in practice, out of practice, in the locker room and on the floor... let alone a mere G-League level of coaching competence, to proclaim themselves superior (which is the essence of considering oneself capable of assessing coaching decisions) to any given person employed to do that.

Self-indulgent nonsense, it really is.

 

For as long as we have Nate, it is productive to assume the benefit of a doubt. And to assume he's intelligent.

 

And the converse is also so... so... so true.

 

Nate, I stand with you.

 

[Diesel]

12 minutes ago, sturt said:

When GMs start hiring fans on message board to be head coaches, maybe then, I for one will have a change of attitude. For whatever reason that still hasn't happened.

Well, I guess if they can hire video guys to be Assist GMs and Assist Beat Reporters to be Head Scouts... this is possible. 

I think we have to make a line of demarcation between being a fan of the game and knowing how the game is to be played.  Some fans believe that they know how the game is to be played. 

 

[sturt]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

this is possible. 

Not what I said, so no, it's incredibly ridiculously unlikely... though one never says never since you do have the occasional PT Barnums for sports owners, and wouldn't that be just the attention getter... and then, of course, there are those who believe Jerry Jones still some day might just name himself head coach.

Hiring fans directly into head coaching positions?

Can't even fathom that. And yet... there are fans who earnestly believe themselves qualified.

[Sothron]

4 hours ago, Diesel said:

Not to drudge up any mess but to drudge it up anyway.   We were the best team in the East and had just beaten a streaking Rockets team. Jordan was playing Baseball.   It was like it was finally our time and somebody goes to make a dumb trade because they were more concerned about the future cap than the present possibility.

As a Hawks fan, it told me.. The Hawks organization doesn't care about you. 

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1982-83	23	ATL	NBA	SF	82	82	32.9	7.3	14.9	.493	0.0	0.1	.182	7.3	14.7	.495	.493	2.8	4.1	.682	2.8	3.1	5.8	1.6	1.0	0.8	2.2	2.6	17.5
1983-84	24	ATL	NBA	SF	81	81	36.6	8.4	17.6	.479	0.0	0.1	.000	8.4	17.5	.482	.479	4.7	6.1	.770	3.1	4.0	7.2	1.6	1.4	1.1	2.7	2.4	21.6
1984-85	25	ATL	NBA	SF	81	81	37.3	10.5	23.3	.451	0.3	1.0	.309	10.2	22.3	.457	.458	6.0	7.4	.806	2.8	4.1	6.9	2.5	1.7	0.7	2.8	2.1	27.4
1985-86	26	ATL	NBA	SF	78	78	39.1	11.4	24.3	.468	0.2	0.9	.186	11.2	23.4	.479	.472	7.4	9.0	.818	3.3	4.6	7.9	2.6	1.8	0.6	3.2	2.2	30.3
1986-87	27	ATL	NBA	SF	79	79	37.6	10.5	22.6	.463	0.4	1.3	.292	10.1	21.3	.474	.472	7.7	9.4	.818	2.7	3.6	6.3	3.3	1.5	0.6	2.7	1.9	29.0
1987-88	28	ATL	NBA	SF	78	76	37.8	11.7	25.1	.464	0.5	1.7	.295	11.2	23.4	.476	.474	6.9	8.4	.826	2.7	3.7	6.4	2.9	1.3	0.6	2.8	2.1	30.7
1988-89	29	ATL	NBA	SF	80	80	37.5	10.2	22.0	.464	0.4	1.3	.276	9.8	20.6	.475	.472	5.5	6.6	.844	3.2	3.7	6.9	2.6	1.5	0.7	2.3	1.7	26.2
1989-90	30	ATL	NBA	SF	80	79	36.1	10.1	20.9	.484	0.7	2.3	.322	9.4	18.6	.504	.502	5.7	7.1	.807	2.7	3.8	6.5	2.5	1.6	0.6	2.2	1.8	26.7
1990-91	31	ATL	NBA	SF	81	81	38.0	9.5	20.2	.470	1.0	3.1	.341	8.5	17.2	.492	.495	5.9	7.1	.829	3.2	5.8	9.0	3.3	1.5	0.8	2.5	1.9	25.9
1991-92	32	ATL	NBA	SF	42	42	38.1	10.1	21.8	.464	0.9	3.0	.289	9.2	18.7	.492	.484	7.0	8.4	.835	2.5	4.6	7.0	3.8	1.2	0.6	2.9	1.8	28.1
1992-93	33	ATL	NBA	SF	71	70	37.3	10.4	22.3	.468	1.7	4.5	.380	8.7	17.9	.490	.506	7.3	8.8	.828	2.6	4.2	6.8	3.2	1.0	0.4	2.6	1.6	29.9
1993-94	34	TOT	NBA	SF	74	74	35.6	9.4	21.5	.440	1.1	4.0	.288	8.3	17.5	.474	.466	6.0	7.1	.847	2.5	4.0	6.5	2.3	1.2	0.4	2.3	1.7	26.0
1993-94	34	ATL	NBA	SF	49	49	34.4	8.8	20.3	.432	1.2	4.0	.308	7.5	16.3	.462	.462	5.6	6.6	.854	2.4	3.8	6.2	2.3	1.3	0.4	2.4	1.8	24.4
1993-94	34	LAC	NBA	SF	25	25	37.9	10.7	23.7	.453	1.0	3.9	.247	9.8	19.8	.493	.473	6.7	8.0	.835	2.5	4.5	7.0	2.2	1.2	0.3	2.1	1.6	29.1
1994-95	35	BOS	NBA	SF	77	64	31.5	6.4	15.2	.424	1.5	3.8	.388	5.0	11.4	.436	.472	3.5	4.4	.782	2.0	3.2	5.2	2.2	0.8	0.2	2.2	1.7	17.8
1995-96	36	Did Not Play (other pro league—Greece)
1996-97	37	SAS	NBA	SF	63	26	30.9	6.3	15.1	.417	1.1	3.8	.293	5.2	11.3	.458	.453	4.5	5.6	.803	2.7	3.7	6.4	1.9	0.6	0.5	2.1	1.6	18.2
1997-98	38	Did Not Play (other pro league—Italy)
1998-99	39	ORL	NBA	SF	27	2	9.3	1.9	4.9	.379	0.2	0.7	.263	1.7	4.2	.398	.398	1.1	1.6	.690	1.1	1.5	2.6	0.6	0.1	0.0	0.9	0.7	5.0

 

As far as the future.  The rest of that season, Niue was 29.1 ppg on 45.3% shooting.   It was just a hurtful thing...  And that Boston team... sucked.   Dee Brown and Montross. 

 

As I said,  you aren't looking at the seasons past that one. I love Nique but he was awful past that season. We would have been locked into a guy shooting .400 or so for the next several seasons. The money we saved on Nique's contract went into signing Deke as a free agent later on. 

It's no brainer we were better off with Nique BEYOND that season. Yes, I do think the Hawks had a chance of winning that one season if we had kept him. But if we had not then we would have been locked into some awful seasons by Nique in a steep and utter decline. 

Pete has said for years the only trade he regretted as the Hawks GM was the Steve Smith for Rider one.

[Threezus]

11 hours ago, sturt said:

In other news, and to be clear, I'm calling Onyeka "Kong" from now on, but it's pronounced "Koe-ng"... just so people know. I don't want to be disrespectful of anyone. Ever. Even if they're a celebrity, and laws regarding malice don't apply anyhow.

lol you finally coming around to it i see.   I started it with King Kongwu and then you wasn't a fan of it so i gave ya Godzilla and now you back to take my king kongwu XD

[theheroatl]

The front office can’t look at the minutes vs. production vs. salaries of Dre and JC of the clips hawks game and think yeah this is our core. I had high hopes for both but they are our biggest trade chips and we need a change.

 

Trae and Murray aren’t going anywhere for obvious reasons but our front court needs some change.

[JTB]

I’m still a little mind blown from last nights game. The biggest stand out in that game in my opinion was watching OO and JC try to guard Zubac when directly under the goal. Watching these two smaller players guard a beast under the goal is what I should say.

smh…don’t get me wrong, the low amount of 3s taken was very noticeable as well but physically seeing Zubacs size compared to JC and OO is just really upsetting with the decision to not play capela more that game.

Looking at the minutes now…. Zubac played 37 minutes compared to Capelas 28 minutes. Nothing is wrong with capela and they’ll use the minute restriction excuse.

 

If capela is being held back for trading purposes I hope they do the trade soon because you aren’t even giving yourself a realistic chance to win the game when you let these centers around Zubac size that’s not a star score so easily in the paint.

[kg01]

56 minutes ago, JTB said:

I’m still a little mind blown from last nights game. The biggest stand out in that game in my opinion was watching OO and JC try to guard Zubac when directly under the goal. Watching these two smaller players guard a beast under the goal is what I should say.

smh…don’t get me wrong, the low amount of 3s taken was very noticeable as well but physically seeing Zubacs size compared to JC and OO is just really upsetting with the decision to not play capela more that game.

Looking at the minutes now…. Zubac played 37 minutes compared to Capelas 28 minutes. Nothing is wrong with capela and they’ll use the minute restriction excuse.

 

If capela is being held back for trading purposes I hope they do the trade soon because you aren’t even giving yourself a realistic chance to win the game when you let these centers around Zubac size that’s not a star score so easily in the paint.

Sheesh, seems like 'showcasing' guys like JHaul cost us games early and 'showcasing' Cap (allegedly) now is costing us games late.

Dang, we're gettin' it from both ends and collectin' no tips.

[kg01]

Oh and, if you wanna really get strange, consider the fact that us 'showcasing' Bogd ... cost us Bogd (since his knees are barkin'). 

[sturt]

12 hours ago, Threezus said:

lol you finally coming around to it i see.   I started it with King Kongwu and then you wasn't a fan of it so i gave ya Godzilla and now you back to take my king kongwu XD

(I hope you understand I'm having some fun with parody here, right? Onyeka, to my knowledge, has never publicly said "Don't call me King Kong," but most are content to assume he would be offended... and out of respect for him--even though they don't know he'd be offended--have gravitated to some other nickname. Yet, they will yell and scream that since Real Big O has never said publicly that he's offended if his nickname gets refurbished by some other less-than-legendary NBA player, then that gives them license to assume he wouldn't be offended... and that they, in turn then, are not being disrespectful. I won't really be calling Onyeka "Kong." Except that is, when it seems important to make the point in response to the Real Big O disrespect... still shows up in Atlanta Hawks social media on occasion, still shows up in how Nate of all people talks on occasion... and in my best Forrest Gump, that's all I've got to say about that.)

[bleachkit]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Oh and, if you wanna really get strange, consider the fact that us 'showcasing' Bogd ... cost us Bogd (since his knees are barkin'). 

I don't know if I would characterize it as "showcasing". We genuinely needed his shooting. 

[bird_dirt]

16 hours ago, Diesel said:

In other words, you're hoping we're successful but not too successful?

If Nate takes us to the finals, you know he has to stay right?

 

No, @Diesel, in other words, I’m hoping we’re successful but not expecting us to be too successful. 
 

If Nate takes us to the finals, which won’t happen, he will stay ONLY IF HE WANTS TO. Ownership will likely feel the need to try to publicly persuade him to stay, but I don’t see him wanting to stay no matter what happens. Either he leaves unfulfilling potential or he leaves on top, cashing in on his accomplishments to go to another gig. 
 

I’d be willing to bet you avatar control for life on Hawksquawk dot net that he won’t take us to the finals and come back as HC next season. If you’re on Twitter, I’d be willing to bet Twitter avatar control for a year if he stays on as the Hawks HC for the remainder of his four year contract. That’s a multiversal bet my friend. 

[kg01]

19 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I don't know if I would characterize it as "showcasing". We genuinely needed his shooting. 

Our insiders (blink, blink, blink) said this was the case.

[Gray Mule]

If I were the head coach of the Atlanta Hawks (Heaven forbid) I would try my very best to hire assistant coaches that knows what they are doing.  I would then insist that they be fully in charge of their own department.  Offense?  Yep.  Defense?  Yep.  Clock management?  Yep.  My children use the expression, "Dumb as a box of rocks" and that would be me as coach

I would hope to find assistants who could run the offense, the defene and could manage the clock.  Then I would simply show up, smile for the fans and enjoy the games!