Nate McMillan Fired

[deester11]

5 minutes ago, Sothron said:

You can't go out hunting for a HC when you still have one. That is not how you replace a coach. Firing Nate gives them a clean break and lets them talk to candidates. I don't know how you think that makes "no sense". You don't interview people when their first question would be "Hmm, don't you still have a coach?"

Not speaking for Diesel, but I'm sure third party "what if's" could be given to potential candidates.  Not saying they are speaking, but something along the lines of, "any thoughts of jobs that would be attractive to you if they were open?" - anonymous dude who knows somebody.

[JayBirdHawk]

5 hours ago, theheroatl said:

 

For the last time

 

[Diesel]

Maybe Ime Udoka is not the guy...

 

2021 Celtics:   Offense 10th,  Defense 14th,  Pace = 21st. 

2022 Celtics:  Offense 7th,  Defense 2nd, Pace = 24th.

2023 Celtics:  Offense 3rd, Defense 5th, Pace = 20th. 

 

Under Udoka, the Pace dropped to 24th in the league.  One of our problems in MHO is that we have a slow pace. 

Looking at the Jazz...

The first three years under Synder, the pace was Dead Last in the League. ...  He's not the guy. 

Atkinson in his first year had the best pace in the league.   His Guards were Lin and Dimwiddie.  BUt it grew progressively worse.   But atleast they started winning some games. 

 

[Diesel]

28 minutes ago, Sothron said:

You can't go out hunting for a HC when you still have one. That is not how you replace a coach. Firing Nate gives them a clean break and lets them talk to candidates. I don't know how you think that makes "no sense". You don't interview people when their first question would be "Hmm, don't you still have a coach?"

You act like Nick didn't talk to Landry while Travis was still holding the seat warm.

The whatif games have always been a hiring practice in the NBA. 

Knowing that Nate is a lame duck and Nate Knowing that he is a lame duck.. the first guys you talk to are those guys who are not under contract. 

What's Nate going to say... "Don't do that"...

 

[JeffS17]

Interesting to do it now.  Season ticket holder renewals must not be coming in at a good clip

[JTB]

43 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Maybe Ime Udoka is not the guy...

 

2021 Celtics:   Offense 10th,  Defense 14th,  Pace = 21st. 

2022 Celtics:  Offense 7th,  Defense 2nd, Pace = 24th.

2023 Celtics:  Offense 3rd, Defense 5th, Pace = 20th. 

 

Under Udoka, the Pace dropped to 24th in the league.  One of our problems in MHO is that we have a slow pace. 

Looking at the Jazz...

The first three years under Synder, the pace was Dead Last in the League. ...  He's not the guy. 

Atkinson in his first year had the best pace in the league.   His Guards were Lin and Dimwiddie.  BUt it grew progressively worse.   But atleast they started winning some games. 

 

Not going to lie this is interesting. We definitely need a coach who’s going to demand fast pace in my opinion. Trae and Murray would be exceptional in fast pace offense. Collins should benefit too.

what was the pace in Synders other years ?

[RandomFan]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

But there is so much more. Players are back at practice tomorrow.

What's gonna be your name for Prunty. Gonna miss the iRobot nickname, lol.

iPunt

[Sothron]

40 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You act like Nick didn't talk to Landry while Travis was still holding the seat warm.

The whatif games have always been a hiring practice in the NBA. 

Knowing that Nate is a lame duck and Nate Knowing that he is a lame duck.. the first guys you talk to are those guys who are not under contract. 

What's Nate going to say... "Don't do that"...

 

They already talked Nate out of resigning back in Dec. Then today they fire Nate outright. Between Nate talking about resigning and today things have changed. 

I'm not saying they haven't been talking to people but clearly firing Nate and running an interim coach the last 20 odd games is a clear signal the team is ready to move on and gets first dibs so to speak on trying to replace their HC.

 

[Diesel]

6 minutes ago, JTB said:

Not going to lie this is interesting. We definitely need a coach who’s going to demand fast pace in my opinion. Trae and Murray would be exceptional in fast pace offense. Collins should benefit too.

what was the pace in Synders other years ?

Snyder had 1 year under 24th place.

It was 13th. 

Nothing really special about it... except Kyle Korver.

 

Rk	Player	Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1	Donovan Mitchell	22	77	77	33.7	8.6	19.9	.432	2.4	6.7	.362	6.1	13.1	.468	.493	4.1	5.1	.806	0.8	3.3	4.1	4.2	1.4	0.4	2.8	2.7	23.8
2	Rudy Gobert	26	81	80	31.8	5.9	8.8	.669	0.0	0.0		5.9	8.8	.669	.669	4.1	6.4	.636	3.8	9.0	12.9	2.0	0.8	2.3	1.6	2.9	15.9
3	Joe Ingles	31	82	82	31.3	4.4	9.8	.448	2.3	5.9	.391	2.1	3.9	.533	.565	1.1	1.5	.707	0.4	3.6	4.0	5.7	1.2	0.2	2.4	2.2	12.1
4	Ricky Rubio	28	68	67	27.9	4.3	10.7	.404	1.2	3.7	.311	3.2	7.0	.454	.458	2.9	3.4	.855	0.5	3.1	3.6	6.1	1.3	0.1	2.6	2.6	12.7
5	Jae Crowder	28	80	11	27.1	4.0	10.0	.399	2.2	6.5	.331	1.8	3.4	.527	.508	1.8	2.5	.721	0.8	4.1	4.8	1.7	0.8	0.4	1.1	2.1	11.9
6	Derrick Favors	27	76	70	23.2	4.8	8.1	.586	0.2	1.0	.218	4.6	7.1	.640	.600	2.0	3.0	.675	2.7	4.6	7.4	1.2	0.7	1.4	1.1	2.1	11.8
7	Royce O'Neale	25	82	16	20.4	2.0	4.2	.475	0.8	2.1	.386	1.2	2.0	.569	.574	0.4	0.5	.762	0.3	3.2	3.5	1.5	0.7	0.3	0.9	2.1	5.2
8	Kyle Korver	37	54	0	20.1	3.1	7.5	.408	2.1	5.4	.384	1.0	2.1	.469	.547	0.9	1.1	.825	0.2	2.3	2.5	1.2	0.4	0.2	0.8	1.6	9.1
9	Alec Burks	27	17	0	15.8	2.8	6.7	.412	0.9	2.5	.372	1.8	4.2	.437	.482	1.9	2.2	.868	0.1	1.5	1.6	1.2	0.4	0.2	0.9	1.3	8.4
10	Dante Exum	23	42	1	15.8	2.4	5.7	.419	0.4	1.5	.290	2.0	4.3	.464	.456	1.6	2.0	.791	0.4	1.2	1.6	2.6	0.3	0.1	1.2	1.6	6.9
11	Raul Neto	26	37	1	12.8	2.0	4.4	.460	0.5	1.6	.333	1.5	2.7	.535	.522	0.8	0.9	.848	0.2	1.5	1.7	2.5	0.4	0.1	0.9	1.3	5.3
12	Thabo Sefolosha	34	50	2	12.2	1.4	3.0	.477	0.7	1.6	.436	0.7	1.4	.521	.591	0.3	0.4	.636	0.2	2.3	2.5	0.5	0.9	0.1	0.5	0.8	3.8
13	Tony Bradley	21	3	0	12.0	2.7	5.3	.500	0.0	0.0		2.7	5.3	.500	.500	0.3	0.7	.500	3.0	2.0	5.0	0.3	0.7	0.7	1.0	2.0	5.7
14	Grayson Allen	23	38	2	10.9	1.8	4.7	.376	0.8	2.6	.323	0.9	2.1	.443	.466	1.2	1.6	.750	0.1	0.5	0.6	0.7	0.2	0.2	0.9	1.2	5.6
15	Georges Niang	25	59	0	8.7	1.5	3.1	.475	0.7	1.8	.410	0.7	1.3	.566	.594	0.3	0.4	.833	0.2	1.3	1.5	0.6	0.2	0.1	0.4	1.0	4.0
16	Ekpe Udoh	31	51	1	6.3	1.0	1.4	.694	0.0	0.0		1.0	1.4	.694	.694	0.4	0.6	.633	0.5	1.2	1.8	0.5	0.2	0.6	0.3	0.7	2.3
17	Naz Mitrou-Long	25	14	0	6.0	0.4	1.4	.300	0.1	0.8	.182	0.3	0.6	.444	.350	0.1	0.1	1.000	0.1	0.4	0.4	1.1	0.1	0.1	0.6	0.7	1.1
18	Tyler Cavanaugh	24	11	0	3.5	0.3	0.9	.300	0.1	0.5	.200	0.2	0.5	.400	.350	0.2	0.2	1.000	0.3	0.5	0.7	0.1

 

[Diesel]

8 minutes ago, Sothron said:

They already talked Nate out of resigning back in Dec. Then today they fire Nate outright. Between Nate talking about resigning and today things have changed. 

I'm not saying they haven't been talking to people but clearly firing Nate and running an interim coach the last 20 odd games is a clear signal the team is ready to move on and gets first dibs so to speak on trying to replace their HC.

 

No doubt. 

It can also mean that there is somebody who they would like to give a shot at salvaging this season. 

It puts a lot of power in the coaches hands when you think about it.   He runs the team for the rest of the season.   In the offseason, he can tell the GM exactly what he needs and help makes decisions on who stays and who goes. 

 

[JTB]

@Diesel Snyder actually spoke out why they had a slow pace in Utah. Very good answer in my opinion. Snyder worked with what was given and ran the best possible offense with that particular personnel. Exactly the same thing our next coach should do. We can’t be any other team, we have to be the hawks.

 

Snyder on Utahs offense:

 

"I can recall questions about that. And as I evaluated it, that was not the best way for us to play. We weren't going to space the floor, we needed to move the ball and grind through a possession. We were like a football team that runs the ball, and hopefully in the fourth quarter we would wear you down and play great defense. That style in one way or the other fit that team."

 

"I think we were at the bottom of the league in terms of pace and we didn't shoot a lot of 3s because that again wasn't the strength of our team and we tried to be really good at what we did. And to me, that's the important thing. The Warriors at that point were redefining the league as far as pace and space and shooting. If we tried to play that way against Golden State, that was their game."

 

https://www.ksl.com/article/50106156/a-long-comprehensive-journey-how-quin-snyder-crafted-utahs-explosive-offense

Edited February 22, 2023 by JTB

[Diesel]

37 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Interesting to do it now.  Season ticket holder renewals must not be coming in at a good clip

This is the one thing that gives me pause that they would bring in somebody new soon.

You don't want the new hire to come in and continue with the messed upness that we have been seeing.  That will turn off ticketholders.

 

[Sothron]

4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

No doubt. 

It can also mean that there is somebody who they would like to give a shot at salvaging this season. 

It puts a lot of power in the coaches hands when you think about it.   He runs the team for the rest of the season.   In the offseason, he can tell the GM exactly what he needs and help makes decisions on who stays and who goes. 

 

That's an interesting angle on it honestly. I don't know how likely that is but if we were to bring in a splashy hire which I know they want to do and as you said let's speculate they turn things around and we have a big finish to the season and win a round or two in the playoffs it would definitely increase that coach's voice in the FO.

[Diesel]

4 minutes ago, JTB said:

@Diesel Snyder actually spoke out why they had a slow pace in Utah. Very good answer in my opinion. Snyder worked with what was given and ran the best possible offense with that particular personnel. Exactly the same thing our next coach should do. We can’t be any other team, we have to be the hawks.

 

Snyder on Utahs offense:

"I think we were at the bottom of the league in terms of pace and we didn't shoot a lot of 3s because that again wasn't the strength of our team and we tried to be really good at what we did. And to me, that's the important thing. The Warriors at that point were redefining the league as far as pace and space and shooting. If we tried to play that way against Golden State, that was their game."

 

https://www.ksl.com/article/50106156/a-long-comprehensive-journey-how-quin-snyder-crafted-utahs-explosive-offense

I can halfway buy that .. because Tyron Corbin had the same team and he was only at 26th in pace.   But... even after they got better people... Rubio and Mitchell, his pace didn't improve much... and when he finally got it to 15, the next year he was back to 24th for no apparent reason.   ~Same roster.  And they stayed there.

 

[Sothron]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

I can halfway buy that .. because Tyron Corbin had the same team and he was only at 26th in pace.   But... even after they got better people... Rubio and Mitchell, his pace didn't improve much... and when he finally got it to 15, the next year he was back to 24th for no apparent reason.   ~Same roster.  And they stayed there.

 

What was our pace under Bud? I don't remember it being a very quick pace. I agree with Synder that you should run the scheme to what actual talents your players have but you also should be getting players to fit with the overall coaching plan. Utah with Gobert was never going to be a really quick pace team because he simply can't get up and down the court like that.

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

That's an interesting angle on it honestly. I don't know how likely that is but if we were to bring in a splashy hire which I know they want to do and as you said let's speculate they turn things around and we have a big finish to the season and win a round or two in the playoffs it would definitely increase that coach's voice in the FO.

If they brought in say... Snyder...  and Snyder changes the fortunes of the Hawks and we get to a competitive 2nd round Playoff exit...    When the offseason comes, I can't imagine Snyder not being an integral part of saying who needs to be traded and what type of player we need to draft. 

Worse case scenerio though... is Snyder comes, takes over and does much worse for the rest of the season.   But not bad enough to get in the draft.  Now the ticketholders are mad because nobody can see how the Hawks can improve.

The only thing that waiting does is continue the mystery of what the new guy will do..i.e. maybe his hire makes a bigger splash in the summer. 

 

 

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, Sothron said:

What was our pace under Bud? I don't remember it being a very quick pace. I agree with Synder that you should run the scheme to what actual talents your players have but you also should be getting players to fit with the overall coaching plan. Utah with Gobert was never going to be a really quick pace team because he simply can't get up and down the court like that.

Under Bud it was slow as hell.   Our pace under LP and Nate has been faster...especially this year. 

Budball is a slow game.   I'm not sold on it being best for us. 

 

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Utah with Gobert was never going to be a really quick pace team because he simply can't get up and down the court like that.

To me... JC and CC are run and gun guys.   I think it's their distinctive advantage over most of the bigs we face.   We should be running bigs tired.   You can't post up well, when you're tired. 

Running and Gunning takes the momentum away too.. because when a team comes down and scores and you hustle back up the court and score... it puts a ton of pressure on them.

I'm from the Paul Westhead school of Basketball domination. 

Those easy buckets are back breakers. 

 

[warcore]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Is Jamelle still on the staff? 

who cares... 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

What was our pace under Bud? I

Uptempo 3 point friendly if you got it shoot it type of flow with player movement.