Hawks in talks with Snyder

[KB21]

 

[sturt]

4 minutes ago, AHF said:

That aspect I like.  There just aren’t enough hours in a day for a coach to be a GM.  It would like a major company’s CEO also being the CFO.  You don’t have enough time to do both jobs the way they need to be done and don’t want decisions from the hip.

And I concur... but I also think it's more surgically a matter of how the responsibilities are actually divided up, past the mere titles held. It's obviously worked with Buford and Pops in SAS.

It didn't in ATL with "Budcox" but you have to wonder... ie, if we presume everything was set-up to mimic the SAS model that Bud knew so well... how much of that was complicated by nervousness by the new owner once there wasn't an immediate success... and Ressler sticking his nose into things for lack of confidence yet that Bud knew what he was doing (???)...

And to be fair to Tony, I think most of us shared that same feeling... what's that Steven Wright joke?... oh yeah...

... it was like that.

Maybe the model works, it just needs the right owner and the right everyone else.

How hard can that be, right? (Don't answer that.)

 

 

 

[NBASupes]

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Donovan Mitchell absolutely loved Quin and his offense in Utah.  Ja Morant absolutely loves Taylor Jenkins and his offense in Memphis.  Giannis loves Bud and his offense in Milwaukee.  Trae will love Quin and his offense in Atlanta once he gets in it.  I've always felt Trae would have been great in Bud's offense in Atlanta.  

Trae don't play like those other two. Those other two are functional off ball players, especially Mitchell and we saw that at Louisville. Ya'll gonna keep pushing till I am ultimately right and Trae is out of here. I just want that his replacement is another young star who fits what we are trying to do better. The biggest winner in this is everyone but Trae and Capela. Those two got holes they gotta fix to play in a motion offense. 

[KB21]

[sturt]

11 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I don't think Bud and Wilcox had a strong working relationship in Atlanta, so it went sideways. 

I really disagree with this. I can't know, but everything about those two that I ever saw or ever heard them say was indication that they were on the same page. Yes, I'll acknowledge they seemingly disagreed on the prospect of holding on to Millsap, but think about that one further and it illustrates my theory... as POBO, Bud woulda been thought to have the final call on that... but he didn't, as it turned out. Why would that be... well, that's exactly why that would be... Ressler putting his thumb on the scale. So I lean toward that being a strong working relationship, but that it was the POBO/owner relationship that kept running sideways over time.

[NBASupes]

Bud had too much on his plate in Atlanta 

[KB21]

A long, comprehensive journey: How Quin Snyder crafted Utah's explosive offense | KSL.com

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"One of Coach K.'s many strengths was his ability to adapt," Snyder said. "I think that's why he's had so much success, over the years."

That's a lesson that followed Snyder to Missouri, where he said he played with two traditional bigs but also a 6-foot-4 power forward — "Part of my evolution as a coach has been the opportunity to see different ways to play and different styles," Snyder said — and into the D-League where he coached the Austin Toros.

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But Snyder soon realized that his players in Austin didn't match what Gregg Popovich had in San Antonio, so he asked if he could deviate from the system.

"I can recall talking to Pop and just saying, 'Our personnel is so different. Is it OK with you if we play differently?' He was absolutely supportive. We became really a pick-and-roll team, and had multiple handlers — similar to what we have now (with the Jazz)."

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"One of the things that I benefited from the most is not only did I have a chance to work for Doug Collins, Mike Brown, Mike Budenholzer, but it was everybody's first year," Snyder said. "... I really got to see the way that your philosophy as a coach, when implemented, has to evolve and adapt to your personnel. You don't know those things always on the front end."

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"I can remember coming from Atlanta and the rage in the league was pace in space and that was not necessarily my expectation, but in the immediate past that's the way we have played," Snyder said. "We had Enes Kanter, Derrick Favors, Trevor Booker, Rudy Gobert, and we were starting two bigs. And that was our team. We weren't a pace and space team.

I can recall questions about that. And as I evaluated it, that was not the best way for us to play. We weren't going to space the floor, we needed to move the ball and grind through a possession. We were like a football team that runs the ball, and hopefully in the fourth quarter we would wear you down and play great defense. That style in one way or the other fit that team."

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"Your job is to try to adapt what you do to fit your personnel and the underlying philosophy for me is not changed," Snyder said. "We talked about being obviously unselfish and ball movement and quick decisions. But what those decisions were, or are does change. So last year with the addition of Bojan ... and then with JC, and with Mike, our style was evolving.

"I think for a group of guys that has played a certain way for a period of time with Donovan playing with Ricky Rubio and Jae and Rudy and that group, that was a different makeup of the team. So we've tried to continue to adjust and adapt and evolve."

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We shoot the ball so well right now," Snyder said. "Those teams as other teams have different strengths. This (shooting) is a strength now. So the question becomes how can you play to your strengths? That means kind of redefining for some guys how they've played over a period of years, and really helping them understand why it is we're doing what we're doing."

So it's not just Snyder that has adapted — Utah's players have, too.

"We don't need to be as open to shoot. ... Oftentimes a look early in the possession is going to be a better look than we get later in the possession," Snyder said. "The more you move the ball, the chances of you making a mistake become greater. If you come down and shoot without passing the ball, you're probably not going to turn the ball over."

This is an absolutely fantastic decision by the Hawks!  This article details the evolution of Quin's offensive style and how he adapts to the players he has.

[macdaddy]

Thanks for that @KB21.   Honestly I'm concerned that Snyder wasn't able to accomplish much in the playoffs but i'm excited that this is a step in the right direction.

I also don't think you take this job if you don't think you can adapt and maximize Trae Young.  

And i'm also concerned that Snyder walks away and we look like fools.....again.  

[AHF]

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

A long, comprehensive journey: How Quin Snyder crafted Utah's explosive offense | KSL.com

This is an absolutely fantastic decision by the Hawks!  This article details the evolution of Quin's offensive style and how he adapts to the players he has.

That is about the strongest pitch for a Hawks coach I can think of.  The ability to adjust your scheme and style to the strengths and weaknesses of your rosters....  Chef's kiss right there.

[KB21]

[KB21]

Look for Igor Kokoskov to be Atlanta's top assistant.

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by KB21

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Where’s the first lady 🫅 Burd at?  I need her thoughts on Sny? I give it an A/A-… at worst a B+ hiring. More A- final answer.

@JayBirdHawk

@JayBirdHawk

@JayBirdHawk

Any or all three may respond? 

There are 3 headcoaches I wouldn't want - D'Antoni, Nash, Mark Jackson. I would welcome any of the other candidates.

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, sturt said:

(Where's @JayBirdHawk this morning? Usually she's got this stuff posted already.)

 

(Oh. Yeah. Never mind. )

 

 

 

The one day I get stuck in meetings, all the news drop.

I'm ready for my avatar change as soon as pen hits paper. 

 

[macdaddy]

This is going to be a long few days i think.   

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, sturt said:

And I concur... but I also think it's more surgically a matter of how the responsibilities are actually divided up, past the mere titles held. It's obviously worked with Buford and Pops in SAS.

It didn't in ATL with "Budcox" but you have to wonder... ie, if we presume everything was set-up to mimic the SAS model that Bud knew so well... how much of that was complicated by nervousness by the new owner once there wasn't an immediate success... and Ressler sticking his nose into things for lack of confidence yet that Bud knew what he was doing (???)...

I think part of that was Bud was thrust into a role that he wasn't prepared for. He came to coach and as a young coach he was given too much responsibility too soon.

[StonedDogs]

@bleachkit coaches also want to be in the best position to win. Thats why in college they get on jets and spend hrs in cities with nothing but sticks and trees trying to recruit the talent that best fits their vision. 

You have to have a vision when coaching. You dont just plop players down and tell him, here coach what you have. Coach Bud left because he had a vision. You see the results

[sturt]

8 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I think part of that was Bud was thrust into a role that he wasn't prepared for. He came to coach and as a young coach he was given too much responsibility too soon.

I hear that. But time and more confirmation that Bud really does appear to have a clue... coupled with Tony's sometimes dramatic bipolar attitudes... pushes me to a new conclusion that it was always more about Tony being the more potent ingredient in the volatile mixture. Had he left it alone and let the SAS model work--I mean, I don't even know who the owner of the Spurs is, honestly--may have had a very different and positive outcome after all. But we'll never know for certain.

[KB21]

I think the issue came to a head when Tony wanted to sign Dwight Howard to have that "name" on the team, and Bud wanted to retain Al Horford.  Wilcox sided with Tony on that.

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39 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Look for Igor Kokoskov to be Atlanta's top assistant.

 

Snyder's dished out similar compliments to others who've been part of his journey, so it's hard to narrow it down to that one guy. Plus, he's got contacts all over the world, having spent time in Europe. Thing is, though, virtually all of them are currently employed. So that could signal that he'd wait until off-season to put together a staff of his own choosing. This one's in Brooklyn right now.

I'm holding fast to my suggestion that there's an available temp lead assistant who's coached a lot of NBA players in his career, and also happens to likely be available... since he just retired about a year ago. *wink wink wink*

 

[Hawkmoor]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Trae don't play like those other two. Those other two are functional off ball players, especially Mitchell and we saw that at Louisville. Ya'll gonna keep pushing till I am ultimately right and Trae is out of here. I just want that his replacement is another young star who fits what we are trying to do better. The biggest winner in this is everyone but Trae and Capela. Those two got holes they gotta fix to play in a motion offense. 

I've been calling for Quinn for a year now because he is gonna be the coach to make Trae get right or be traded. You are correct. 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Hawkmoor