John Collins Traded - Fare thee well!

[kg01]

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Wow! @AHF

What's the problem? 

[Atlantaholic]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

Yes

Fact is based on last year's production his contract was easily a bottom 5 contract in the NBA. I would rather bet on him rebounding to start the year and then seeing if you can ship him to a team in need at the deadline than just dumping him for nothing personally. 

[terrell]

1 hour ago, ATLHawks3 said:

His value was THAT low? Wow.

I was still somehow holding out hope that we’d get maybe a late first for JC, but I guess that’s how little GMs thought of his deal. Anyways, hopefully there are more moves to come. 

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by terrell

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

What's the problem? 

Nothing, that's crazy, we literally got more for Cam who was busted than we got for JC who has always been productive for us 

[Atlantaholic]

It just feels like we waited until we got the absolute worst deal we could get for Collins before pulling the trigger lol.

[terrell]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Bye JC. 

Good player. Bad contract. That said, I will miss him. True leader in the locker room.

I said when we signed JC to that inflated contract that worst case scenario, we'll be able to drop him for nothing. His stock has gone significantly down since then, and we still ended up getting a cheap expiring, 25.3m trade exception, and a 2nd in return... 

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by terrell

[AHF]

11 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Wow! @AHF

Good post for sure.

[Atlantaholic]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

I said when we signed JC to that inflated contract that worst case scenario, we'll be able to drop him for nothing. His stock has gone significantly down since then, and we still ended up getting a cheap expiring, 25.3m trade exception, and a 2nd in return... 

 

The 25.3m exception sounds impressive, but what are the odds we actually use it this year? It expires after one season.

[terrell]

6 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Fact is based on last year's production his contract was easily a bottom 5 contract in the NBA. I would rather bet on him rebounding to start the year and then seeing if you can ship him to a team in need at the deadline than just dumping him for nothing personally. 

The best thing about the trade is it opens up playing time for Bey, JJ, and AJG. That is a win in my opinion. Plus, we did not have to attach any assets to JC.

[terrell]

2 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

The 25.3m exception sounds impressive, but what are the odds we actually use it this year? It expires after one season.

 I’m fine using Gay, the 2nd, and the trade exception in another deal. lol

[akay]

JJ is gonna step up and be our Draymond x factor player.

This trade is a blessing for the young ones

[Atlantaholic]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

 I’m fine using Gay, the 2nd, and the trade exception in another deal. lol

Oh that would be ideal. I'm just skeptical the front office is looking to add another 25 million of salary considering their track record of nickle and diming the last two years. Seems more likely they are clicking their heels at getting 20 million back in salary and will leave it at that. 

2 minutes ago, akay said:

JJ is gonna step up and be our Draymond x factor player.

This trade is a blessing for the young ones

Hopefully this scenario plays out. 

[AHF]

3 minutes ago, terrell said:

 I’m fine using Gay, the 2nd, and the trade exception in another deal. lol

The trade exception can't be combined with anything but picks so if you traded it with Gay that would be two separate deals - one for the exception and one for Gay.  That isn't unusual but just pointing out that we can't combine the exception with another player to get someone worth more than $25M or anything.  (Unless I am remembering incorrectly how these work which is always possible.)

[DS5]

Same ol’ hawks.. 

[Diesel]

All of yall trade JC fans... finally got your wish.  I hope you are happy.

Well Wishes to JC!  She them what you got!

 

[Atlantaholic]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

The trade exception can't be combined with anything but picks so if you traded it with Gay that would be two separate deals - one for the exception and one for Gay.  That isn't unusual but just pointing out that we can't combine the exception with another player to get someone worth more than $25M or anything.  (Unless I am remembering incorrectly how these work which is always possible.)

Interesting. How come Gay was traded + Exception to us though?

[Diesel]

36 minutes ago, thecampster said:

1 thing to consider....

Statistically speaking, the last 30 games, Jalen Johnson wiped the floor with JC stats wise, effectiveness wise, defensively vs his man.

It easier to look good when you're not the starter.   That's no consideration. 

 

[KB21]

Just now, Atlantaholic said:

Interesting. How come Gay was traded + Exception to us though?

They didn't trade the exception.  The exception was created because they took back a lot more salary than they gave up.

[kg01]

9 minutes ago, terrell said:

 I’m fine using Gay, the 2nd, and the trade exception in another deal. lol

Nobody's stupid enough to trade for Rudy Gay.....

(Yep, that's what I said.) 

[terrell]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

All of yall trade JC fans... finally got your wish.  I hope you are happy.

Well Wishes to JC!  She them what you got!

 

You should be happy too..

I think playing in that division/conference will help JC look better. The Northwest Division doesn't have any PFs worth fearing on defense other than KAT, who doesn't use his size advantage much. Elsewhere in that conference, there aren't as many of the physical length/size matchups - Giannis, Randle, Siakam, etc. - that really highlighted Collins' defensive weaknesses. It will get ugly against the Lakers and maybe the Kings, but the rest of that conference isn't stacked with physical and long players at the 4 spot. 

So he might just SHE them what he got... lol