Hawks looking to trade

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, MarylandHawk said:

Is this a real twitter post?  If so Trae must know something. 

That's from Trae's account, yes. 

But he posts clips every day.  It just so happens that his team posted him and Jalen at the scorers table.

[AHF]

56 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I think it's very presumptuous, at a minimum, to pretend like we have any lens into how competent Grant is or not.  He's been with the Spurs recently who people herald as one of the best front offices and well-run organizations in the league, yet a bunch of us on a forum feel like we know better than the Spurs that he is actually incompetent.  Tough sell for me.  I'm not in the conversations FO execs are having, so it's pretty hard for me to gauge how good someone is or isn't.  The only thing this definitely signals is Ressler wants a more experienced executive to weigh in on what is probably the most pivotal decisions this FO will make that should or could set the tone of the team for the next decade.  That is a good thing imo. 

The predisposition to be negative about literally everything we're doing right now is getting tiresome.

I’m not sure how this is really responsive to my post.  I said it was hard to be excited about Grant being hired because of his negative track record here (according to the rumors that it was his report that got Ferry fired) and his disasterous stint as Cleveland GM.  I didn’t say that I know he wis worthless in 2024. I said it was hard to be excited about him coming in because the lens we do have into what he has done in prior jobs is very negative.
 

Your response is basically that none of us really knows what he has done in recent years.  That is fair.  But it also is not a reason to be excited about him coming on board because….wait for it…..none of us has a lens into how competent he is.

You choose to be positive and see him coming in as a good thing despite not knowing if he is competent.  I am less excited about it because I know he was not competent years ago and worry that (a) another voice in the room is not helpful ala cooks in the kitchen; (b) the fact that he is coming in may be an indication that Ressler doesn’t fully trust in his current GM which would be scary at this juncture; and (c) if we pull an Anthony Bennet, Dion Waiters, etc. type of transaction now it could cost us for years because we are at such a crucial moment for the franchise (without the guard rails of owning our own picks).  It may be that either of us is right or that we are both wrong.  We don’t know.  But my confidence in the front office is not bolstered by Ressler feeling the need to make this move right now and “you don’t know if he is competent or not” doesn’t inject excitement in me for the move.  I am more crossing my fingers and hoping these guys land the plane.

[Wretch]

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

 I am more crossing my fingers and hoping these guys land the plane.

If that just don't say it all for me...

[Spud2nique]

6 hours ago, GameTime said:

What does the package look like? @Sothron

Nothin id want.

[Sothron]

37 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Nothin id want.

there's a rookie I like on that team but would they include him? Butler has taken him under his wing to literally replace him on that team.

[Sothron]

3 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

I hate to be cynical because the energy is already very negative here, but this just feels like we're getting played for leverage again

I am confused by this. What leverage? We are perhaps the only team actually selling going into the deadline. Even the hapless Pistons are trying to trade for stars to try and fix their rebuild. The Jazz since Dec 12th have been one of the best teams in the NBA (notice the Italian guy I mentioned weeks ago? he's now starting for them and it is not a coincidence it is paying off) so now they are reluctant to trade players. 

Frankly I don't know if our FO is pushing other teams hard enough.  You want to buy? Fine. It is literally a one team seller's market with at least 6-10 teams seriously trying to get various players off our roster. I would make them pay through the nose. If not, someone else will. It is the one lesson teams forget year in and year out: someone always, always makes that last jump for a player. 

[Spud2nique]

9 minutes ago, Sothron said:

there's a rookie I like on that team but would they include him? Butler has taken him under his wing to literally replace him on that team.

Jacquez, Jovic and 2 firsts for Murray. 

10 minutes ago, Sothron said:

there's a rookie I like on that team but would they include him? Butler has taken him under his wing to literally replace him on that team.

Then can we get Butler?  

[Sothron]

7 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Jacquez, Jovic and 2 firsts for Murray. 

Then can we get Butler?  

I'd do the first one for Murray. 

I hate Butler like how you hate the Dubs. He f***ed my Twolves so badly I will never, ever forgive him.

[benhillboy]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

there's a rookie I like on that team but would they include him? Butler has taken him under his wing to literally replace him on that team.

No way they include Jaquez he’s a stud, his shooting and impact metrics are better than DJ already, the hell the heat look like adding a first?!  Hawks had the chance to draft him but the Hawks gonna Hawk.

 And who is Dior Washburn?  I don’t see any credible content on the net from him/ her, Twitter doesn’t count with me at all.  I don’t believe for a second the heat are serious about Murray just as the Lilliard talk was always a joke.  True Kyle is on his last leg but Murray isn’t a heat type player let alone a distribution first guard and if you’ve seen Herro lately DJ is arguably a downgrade at the 2.

 I’ll gladly eat crow if a deal gets done but it’s highly unlikely.  The talent is tantalizing but Spo will have a lot of work to do to get him to cut and pressure the ball like everyone has to on that team.  No one in their right mind would take Jimmy off the ball for Murray just based off FT attempts alone let alone playmaking ability.

Edited January 17 by benhillboy

[AHF]

3 hours ago, Sothron said:

Frankly I don't know if our FO is pushing other teams hard enough.  You want to buy? Fine. It is literally a one team seller's market with at least 6-10 teams seriously trying to get various players off our roster. I would make them pay through the nose. If not, someone else will. It is the one lesson teams forget year in and year out: someone always, always makes that last jump for a player. 

This is good advice but very basic.  Not even specific to the NBA just about deal making.  The fact that you are concerned our front office might not push teams is crazy in this environment.  We should be desperately pushing teams, we should be leveraging teams against each other, etc,  We have no picks of our own for 3 years.  Out biggest assets for that time are whatever we get from this sell/off.  This is your day FO.  Make the absolute most of it because once you’ve sold DM and others everything you do depends on what you got in return.

[kg01]

3 hours ago, benhillboy said:

No way they include Jaquez he’s a stud, his shooting and impact metrics are better than DJ already, the hell the heat look like adding a first?!  Hawks had the chance to draft him but the Hawks gonna Hawk.

 And who is Dior Washburn?  I don’t see any credible content on the net from him/ her, Twitter doesn’t count with me at all.  I don’t believe for a second the heat are serious about Murray just as the Lilliard talk was always a joke.  True Kyle is on his last leg but Murray isn’t a heat type player let alone a distribution first guard and if you’ve seen Herro lately DJ is arguably a downgrade at the 2.

 I’ll gladly eat crow if a deal gets done but it’s highly unlikely.  The talent is tantalizing but Spo will have a lot of work to do to get him to cut and pressure the ball like everyone has to on that team.  No one in their right mind would take Jimmy off the ball for Murray just based off FT attempts alone let alone playmaking ability.

Hillbilly, if we can get their JJ to pair with our JJ, would that woo you back into the Hawks fan fold?  I've been saving you a chair at the cul de sac bbq.  Folks keep tryna sit next to me tho so  It's getting (h)awkward.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Hillbilly, if we can get their JJ to pair with our JJ, would that woo you back into the Hawks fan fold?  I've been saving you a chair at the cul de sac bbq.  Folks keep tryna sit next to me tho so  It's getting (h)awkward.

Well he’s not coming with that avatar(attitude)! He just wants sac funk. He ain’t gettin it in your sac! Not as long as I have anything to say about it!!!

OOOOOOOUUUUUUUTTTTTSIIIIDDDEEERRRRRSSS (ROLL UP)

[kg01]

30 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Well he’s not coming with that avatar(attitude)! He just wants sac funk. He ain’t gettin it in your sac! Not as long as I have anything to say about it!!!

OOOOOOOUUUUUUUTTTTTSIIIIDDDEEERRRRRSSS (ROLL UP)

Hey, me and the world-class hillbilly have been working through an uneasy peace this year.  A JJ/JJ conglomerate would seal the deal. 

[AHF]

It does hurt just a little to see how successful JJ has been in contrast to our first round pick.  Maybe he doesn't develop like he does without Butler's instruction but we sure could have used a talented small forward in our rotation instead of some of the guys who have been taking those minutes in Hunter's absence.

[Chrimturn]

Samanic is just sitting on Utah’s bench and they have a ton of picks.  I wonder if Ainge would be interested in DJM?

Could take Olynyk off his hands now.  Make him feel like he got a good return. See if he’d throw in Samanic and 2 FRP’s.  

If Olynyk ends up signing with another team after the season, so be it.  Everybody’s still content.  Ainge gets his PG.  Hawks get a young, tall, athletic, “unproven” player that fits the mold of what Quinn is looking for along with a few picks.

[thecampster]

Drudging up an oldie but a goodie.

 

[macdaddy]

I'm going out on a limb and say fans are going to be disappointed and any trades we make will be "about the future" not this season.  

[Final_quest]

33 minutes ago, AHF said:

It does hurt just a little to see how successful JJ has been in contrast to our first round pick.  Maybe he doesn't develop like he does without Butler's instruction but we sure could have used a talented small forward in our rotation instead of some of the guys who have been taking those minutes in Hunter's absence.

For that matter AJ played well last year at times and he's been off the reservation.  Kobe Bufkin has barely been available.  We'll say if he eventually gets minutes.

[kg01]

57 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Drudging up an oldie but a goodie.

 

 thought bubble ...

(Wonder which circle I fit into?  Musta left out the 'dudes I pattern my life after' circle.  Yeah, thats where he'd have me.)

[BangHolman]

19 hours ago, ShooterSays said:

That’s exactly what we need. Really any team should want that.

Whats the catch then? Why is NY looking to trade him? Seems like that should be a good fit in between Brunson and OG.

I thought I saw something about them wanting a second facilitator next to Brunson. I laughed because of the de ja vu I got.