HawkItus Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 On 92.9 right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 This s board is clown fodder. How about all the couch executives wait to see how this thing plays out. I did not care for the trade at first myself , but considering how outraged some of the GM's on this board seem to be of this trade , I am really starting to love this trade considering this boards record at predictions clown fodder? That's funny. Since when can't people voice displeasure without being considered clowns or whatever? I'm no GM, but I'm a fan. If I want to say, "I don't like the trade," I think I can do so intelligently without playing the message board police guy. I was against the trade because I believe there were better ways to maneuver to get Hardaway if that was your guy. I have a wait and see approach, but it doesn't mean I'm happy about the way draft night went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Delete Edited June 29, 2015 by NBASupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Delete Booooo! Own it, Supes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomFan Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 On 92.9 right now Can we get a recap? I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartVolt Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Delete Damn shame I did not get to see this one. I am sure it would have been insightful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachoo5 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 The bottom line is that this move means that Bud and company weren't impressed with the guys left on the board by the 15th pick. If Booker, Winslows, etc. were still available when we picked we would not have traded out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartVolt Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 clown fodder? That's funny. Since when can't people voice displeasure without being considered clowns or whatever? I'm no GM, but I'm a fan. If I want to say, "I don't like the trade," I think I can do so intelligently without playing the message board police guy. I was against the trade because I believe there were better ways to maneuver to get Hardaway if that was your guy. I have a wait and see approach, but it doesn't mean I'm happy about the way draft night went down. Being displeased and being whiney is two different things. Lots of folks are being whiney. Maybe clown fodder was to strong? How about pre-K? Irony is I was voicing my feelings on things as well in the post you quoted friend. I try not to ruffle feathers but can be a bit to honest at times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Both Sap and JYD improved a great deal after they got to Atl. Trust Bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnice Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think his presser is coming later this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Damn shame I did not get to see this one. I am sure it would have been insightful. Oh, it was spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Can we get a recap? I missed it. Happy to be Hawk difficult situation in NY Says playing against the Hawks was tough See's this as the perfect fit Sr. pushed him hard, but eased up when he needed to Had never considered UM until he was recruited Looking forward to the season It was a quick intro interview coming off the press conference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Being displeased and being whiney is two different things. Lots of folks are being whiney. Maybe clown fodder was to strong? How about pre-K? Irony is I was voicing my feelings on things as well in the post you quoted friend. I try not to ruffle feathers but can be a bit to honest at times LOL. Point well received. In the end, we all want the Hawks to get to where we want them to be: Champions. I never railed against Ferry and agreed/disagreed with a few things he did as well. Bud does deserve the benefit of the doubt...so we'll see. BTW....no such thing as too honest. Just bring it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 29, 2015 Moderators Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) clown fodder? That's funny. Since when can't people voice displeasure without being considered clowns or whatever? I'm no GM, but I'm a fan. If I want to say, "I don't like the trade," I think I can do so intelligently without playing the message board police guy. I was against the trade because I believe there were better ways to maneuver to get Hardaway if that was your guy. I have a wait and see approach, but it doesn't mean I'm happy about the way draft night went down. That is where I ultimately come out. I don't philosophically like giving up on the best pick we are likely to see for the next few years for a guy who hasn't shown it yet, but I can get around the idea that Bud sees the tools and sees how much better he will be in our system. I just feel like we paid for the guy Bud sees instead of the guy who actually played last year and that is not a smart way to trade. People buy underperforming stocks at market value and then reap the rewards when they increase in value, not at whatever value the they think the company will end up trading at. Edited June 29, 2015 by AHF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted June 29, 2015 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 That is where I ultimately come out. I don't philosophically like giving up on the best pick we are likely to see for the next few years for a guy who hasn't shown it yet, but I can get around the idea that Bud sees the tools and sees how much better he will be in our system. I just feel like we paid for the guy Bud sees instead of the guy who actually played last year and that is not a smart way to trade. People buy underperforming stocks at market value and then reap the rewards when they increase in value, not at whatever value the they think the company will end up trading at. Okay, but if you want to go there, do you not also have to acknowledge that people do the same with emerging market stocks/funds? It's ALL projecting from what's been seen to what might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 29, 2015 Moderators Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Okay, but if you want to go there, do you not also have to acknowledge that people do the same with emerging market stocks/funds? It's ALL projecting from what's been seen to what might be. Yes. You don't pay what you think an emerging market will ultimately be worth. You pay the current market price when you think it is going to be worth more later. When the current price is more than you think it will ultimately be worth, you don't invest there. I feel like we paid the future price instead of the current price which is not a good buying practice. I do like the emerging market analogy with Hardaway because those are more volatile markets that see some huge gains and losses. I assume that Bud sees the possibility for Hardaway blowing up and turning into a huge gain whereas Hardaway's play last year would represent a huge loss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Yes. You don't pay what you think an emerging market will ultimately be worth. You pay the current market price when you think it is going to be worth more later. When the current price is more than you think it will ultimately be worth, you don't invest there. I feel like we paid the future price instead of the current price which is not a good buying practice. I do like the emerging market analogy with Hardaway because those are more volatile markets that see some huge gains and losses. I assume that Bud sees the possibility for Hardaway blowing up and turning into a huge gain whereas Hardaway's play last year would represent a huge loss. I didn't put it as eloquent, but that's the point. I'm hoping our player development does what it has for several players who came here with negative connotations attached to them. It's fair to think that we could have played the "market" a little wiser. Anyone can say after the fact, "We're surprised NY got a first for him," after the fact. But playing the draft MAY have netted you the ability to get him, but not at the price you paid. Unless we were worried that he had that many suitors trying to trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted June 29, 2015 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 To be expected, but fwiw, Hardaway did say all of the right things in today's presser... as did Bud... particularly about 2/3 of the way through when defense was the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted June 29, 2015 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Paid projected price instead of current price? I have great respect for you AHF... you know I do... but as I look down this list of #19 draftees, I have some significant trouble with that premise... Certainly, there are some names in the mix, but when you take the whole of the list and consider the risk profile relative to our situation, and then add that we gained two throw-in draft picks to boot, my optimism seems substantiated. "Well, that's #19... but we essentially traded #15..." Okay, what if we did that?... Here's that list. Again, a few names. But don't just sit on the names... look at the whole of the chart. I just can't get to where you appear to be on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted June 29, 2015 Moderators Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Check out the full press conference from this afternoon introducing Tim Hardaway Jr. as the newest member of the Atlanta Hawks Posted by Atlanta Hawks on Monday, 29 June 2015 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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