Our "Bigs" are now awsome

[DJlaysitup]

D12,  AL, Paul Millsap.

Moose can do 2nd line duty inside.

Get J.Jack to backup Dennis and pray for a wing to work out...I can't wait for next year  (dancing)

 

[JTB]

3 minutes ago, DJlaysitup said:

D12,  AL, Paul Millsap.

Moose can do 2nd line duty inside.

Get J.Jack to backup Dennis and pray for a wing to work out...I can't wait for next year  (dancing)

 

What happened? We get Al back?

[DJlaysitup]

We will....,it will be some 1/2 way deal on the 5th year with opt outs...giving 5 years is HUGE compared to 4.  We will keep AL H.

Edited July 2, 2016 by DJlaysitup

[DJlaysitup]

So if it sounds the way I am thinking - we get D12...and we keep our "core" and we keep Baze...that's awesome.

 

Dennis, Baze, Sap, Horfford, D12....should win some games (IMO)

[Diesel]

When we Sign Al or get an agreement from him... Whatever it takes to get that done.. short of trading Paul... then we will become the best team in the East.   I see teams trembling at the thought of having to play against our motivated front line. 

 

 

[Atlantaholic]

32 minutes ago, Diesel said:

When we Sign Al or get an agreement from him... Whatever it takes to get that done.. short of trading Paul... then we will become the best team in the East.   I see teams trembling at the thought of having to play against our motivated front line. 

 

 

No, we won't unfortunately. Paul, Horford and Howard does not make us the best team in the East. Our bottom ten ranked offense last season does not improve with the loss of Teague, and we'd have a logjam with our three best players. It would be interesting but we won't win more than 50. games with that roster

[RandomFan]

15 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

No, we won't unfortunately. Paul, Horford and Howard does not make us the best team in the East. Our bottom ten ranked offense last season does not improve with the loss of Teague, and we'd have a logjam with our three best players. It would be interesting but we won't win more than 50. games with that roster

Bullsh*t

[Atlantaholic]

4 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

Bullsh*t

If we add Horford and keep the team as is we're still not getting past the Cavs. Cold hard facts, son. We still can't score. We would need to trade one of those three to get a quality wing in order to be in the mix. 

Edited July 2, 2016 by Atlantaholic

[Trout7]

7 hours ago, DJlaysitup said:

D12,  AL, Paul Millsap.

Moose can do 2nd line duty inside.

Get J.Jack to backup Dennis and pray for a wing to work out...I can't wait for next year  (dancing)

 

Why on earth would would you let Moose do 2nd line duty inside when you have someone like Humphries!

[RandomFan]

2 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

If we add Horford and keep the team as is we're still not getting past the Cavs. Cold hard facts, son. We still can't score. We would need to trade one of those three to get a quality wing in order to be in the mix. 

Speculating future results is what you call "cold hard facts" son? Houston, I think we've identified the problem.

Oh, and bullsh*t 

[Atlantaholic]

4 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

Speculating future results is what you call "cold hard facts" son? Houston, I think we've identified the problem.

Oh, and bullsh*t 

Yup… Paul, Howard, Horford is NEVER going to happen anyway though, so it's a moot point. After Paul's contract is up next year we will need to max him. Which means we would be building a team with over 2/3rds of our cap invested into two positions. Which would be stupid. 

[Thomas]

14 minutes ago, Trout7 said:

Why on earth would would you let Moose do 2nd line duty inside when you have someone like Humphries!

Anyone other than Moose. He's questionable as a third string big.

[RandomFan]

5 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Yup… Paul, Howard, Horford is NEVER going to happen anyway though, so it's a moot point. After Paul's contract is up next year we will need to max him. Which means we would be building a team with over 2/3rds of our cap invested into two positions. Which would be stupid. 

If you wrongly assume Millsap can't play on the wing, then sure. But that is what's really stupid.

Also, Millsap might get a small raise, but ain't nobody paying a 32 year old Millsap much more than what he will make this year.

Edited July 2, 2016 by RandomFan

[Atlantaholic]

Just now, RandomFan said:

If you wrongly assets Millsap can't play on the eing, then sure. But that is what's really stupid.

Also, Millsap might get a small raise, but ain't nobody paying a 32 year old Millsap much more than what he will make this year.

There's no way Millsap plays more than 3-5 minutes a game at the wings. At 6-8 250 he won't be able to defend wings , on top of that he can't create his own shot off the dribble, and he is a subpar shooter from the perimeter (for a wing). Even when we had Tiago in the first half of the season, the "big" lineup was almost never used. Any lineup with Howard, Paul, and Horford in at the same time will be severely offensively challenged. 

Millsap is gonna get paid a lot more than Baze money next year simply because he will likely be one of the two-three best free agents available, and has shown absolutely no signs of slowing down. (He may be 31 but he has only played in 750 games in the NBA so far). He will get something much closer to 30 than 20 million. Schröder also becomes a free agent next season, and he will definitely be commanding the max, so there would be almost no chance in hell we can keep both him and Millsap, in this big three hypothetical scenario. Of course, the front office understands all of this which is why they are trying to trade Millsap as we speak. 

[RandomFan]

So you insist on saying Sap can't play on the wing, in spite of Sap himself he'd be fine with it as long as he has enough advanced notice? OK then...

Sap can't create his own shot? LOL...

You continue to insist that any lineup of Al, D12, and Sap would be offensively challenged, as if that isn't a comically stupid thing to say...

Schröder becomes a restricted free agent next year. I doubt he gets a max offer, but if he does Ressler has already said we'll go into the luxury tax if it means putting a championship team on the floor - so no problem affording him and Millsap there.

Trying to trade Millsap eh? Perhaps, but what is it that people don't understand that the HAWKS DO NOT LEAK INFORMATION? Anything we hear is just speculation, and if history is any indication most of it is just hot air. So stop pretending like we know for a fact that Millsap is even on the trading block in the first place - we don't know that.

Finally, what is it you don't get about having 96 minutes at PF and C that need to be split between Sap, D12, and Al? Split 3 ways, that's 32 minutes per game for each player - about what our starters average already. It would entail those three playing together for the first 4 or 5 minutes of each half before one of them takes a break and starts our rotations where they probably wouldn't all 3 play together again until the last 2 or 3 minutes of the game - if needed at that point.

So we would be looking at Sap having to play 8 to 13 minutes per game at the wing, as a worst case scenario. With Baze as the other wing during those times, we can stick him on the highly active wing that has to be chased, and put Millsap on the bigger or slower guy. Taking Sap out of the PF/C rotation for those 8 to 13 minutes would give someone like Edy or Muscala those minutes. I personally hope we start getting to see Edy at least on a limited basis this year.

This isn't rocket surgery.

Edited July 2, 2016 by RandomFan

[Atlantaholic]

37 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

So you insist on saying Sap can't play on the wing, in spite of Sap himself he'd be fine with it as long as he has enough advanced notice? OK then...

Sap can't create his own shot? LOL...

You continue to insist that any lineup of Al, D12, and Sap would be offensively challenged, as if that isn't a comically stupid thing to say...

Schröder becomes a restricted free agent next year. I doubt he gets a max offer, but if he does Ressler has already said we'll go into the luxury tax if it means putting a championship team on the floor - so no problem affording him and Millsap there.

Trying to trade Millsap eh? Perhaps, but what is it that people don't understand that the HAWKS DO NOT LEAK INFORMATION? Anything we hear is just speculation, and if history is any indication most of it is just hot air. So stop pretending like we know for a fact that Millsap is even on the trading block in the first place - we don't know that.

Finally, what is it you don't get about having 96 minutes at PF and C that need to be split between Sap, D12, and Al? Split 3 ways, that's 32 minutes per game for each player - about what our starters average already. It would entail those three playing together for the first 4 or 5 minutes of each half before one of them takes a break and starts our rotations where they probably wouldn't all 3 play together again until the last 2 or 3 minutes of the game - if needed at that point.

So we would be looking at Sap having to play 8 to 13 minutes per game at the wing, as a worst case scenario. With Baze as the other wing during those times, we can stick him on the highly active wing that has to be chased, and put Millsap on the bigger or slower guy. Taking Sap out of the PF/C rotation for those 8 to 13 minutes would give someone like Edy or Muscala those minutes. I personally hope we start getting to see Edy at least on a limited basis this year.

This isn't rocket surgery.

It doesn't matter what Millsap says, he can't play the wing because he is oversized, too slow, and doesn't have the dribbles or the shooting accuracy necessary to consistently play the wing. And no, he cannot create his own shot from 25 feet out, he has never shown the ability to do that (he has tried in crunch time several time to abysmal result). The 96 minutes at C and PF need to be split between Tiago, Humphries, Howard, Millsap, Horford, and Moose. We won't have three players taking up 100% of those minutes. It isn't rocket science but it isn't as simple as 96 / 3. More than likely you would be looking at Horford and Millsap around 30 mins, and Howard at 28-29. This isn't too bad, but when you are considering that these three will be our highest paid players and you are capping their mins at a maximum of around 30-32 mins a game then it presents somewhat of a problem. If one of Horford, Millsap, or Howard are on fire and you want to keep them in longer than 32 mins it means taking mins away from one of those other two players. 

Dennis, Baze, Millsap, Horford, and Howard looks sexy as hell, and is the most talented lineup we have had, but it won't win us a championship because in the real world that lineup can't score from the outside, and will have difficulty guarding the perimeter. It's a worse lineup than the 60 win team we had two years ago IMO. Not to mention to keep this lineup around beyond next season means having absolutely 0 depth on this team beyond the starting 5. 

Edited July 2, 2016 by Atlantaholic

[RandomFan]

1 hour ago, Atlantaholic said:

It doesn't matter what Millsap says, he can't play the wing because he is oversized, too slow, and doesn't have the dribbles or the shooting accuracy necessary to consistently play the wing. (once again, Sap can definitely play the wing for the 8 to 13 minutes per game it would be required of him, easily. How are you not grasping that he wont be asked to "consistenly" play there?) And no, he cannot create his own shot from 25 feet out, he has never shown the ability to do that (he has tried in crunch time several time to abysmal result). 

The 96 minutes at C and PF need to be split between Tiago, Humphries, Howard, Millsap, Horford, and Moose. We won't have three players taking up 100% of those minutes. (Dafuq you even talking about? If Horford returns, Tiago is definitely gone in a trade. Humphries isn't on the team now and likely wouldn't be affordable if Horf returns. And I clearly said Hord, D12, and Sap would be splitting all but 8 to 13 of those minutes between PF and C, not 100%. As I said already, those 8 to 13 minutes would go to someone like Tavares, Muscala, or even a Humphries if we could convince him to take our $2.9m MLE to return. Teams don't play a 15 man rotation during the regular season; it's usually 9 to 11 players deep, and less than that in the playoffs.)

It isn't rocket science but it isn't as simple as 96 / 3. More than likely you would be looking at Horford and Millsap around 30 mins, and Howard at 28-29. This isn't too bad, but when you are considering that these three will be our highest paid players and you are capping their mins at a maximum of around 30-32 mins a game then it presents somewhat of a problem. If one of Horford, Millsap, or Howard are on fire and you want to keep them in longer than 32 mins it means taking mins away from one of those other two players. (Bud already want's to cap his players at around 32 mins per game, just like he learned to do with the Spurs. Averaging 32 mpg isn't the same thing as saying a player wont get over 32m if he's "hot" or needed in a matchup. It means over 82 games, that is what he "averaged" - sometimes more, sometimes less.)

Dennis, Baze, Millsap, Horford, and Howard looks sexy as hell, and is the most talented lineup we have had, but it won't win us a championship because in the real world that lineup can't score from the outside, and will have difficulty guarding the perimeter. (We will agree to disagree here because I don't agree with a single one of those premises. Our bread and butter on offense is the pick and roll combined with ball movement. We'll still be more than fine on offense with that starting lineup. Also, Dennis and Baze are exceptional perimeter defenders, and Sap has already proven in the past he is no slouch there either: especialy for only 8 to 13 minutes per game).

It's a worse lineup than the 60 win team we had two years ago IMO. Not to mention to keep this lineup around beyond next season means having absolutely 0 depth on this team beyond the starting 5. (Such worst case scenario B.S. - If we assume Horford resigns it means Splitter, Scott, and Thabo are likely gone. That leaves us with a possible 2017 bench of Prince, Bembry, Hardaway, Muscala, Tavares, Patterson, Korver, and Cordinier who is supposed to come to the NBA next season. Not to mention our 2017 draft picks. We have a lot of free agents yes, but as I've already said Ressler will go over the luxury tax for the right team; and we either have those above bench players already under contract OR we own the full Bird Rights to every one of them - meaning we can hold on to any and all of them that we want to. And that roster is certainly NOT zero depth...)

 

Edited July 2, 2016 by RandomFan