Official Game Thread: Cavaliers at Hawks

[Lurker]

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

Don't tell the Cav's that...They kinda ran out of gas yesterday without a bench

26 point leads aren't commonly blown.

Look, the only Hawks advantage against the Wizards when you go straight up is really Paul Millsap and it's not as big as an advantage as it was. Everything else is a tie or varying from advantage Wizards to major advantage Wizards. Using the top 8 men on the team (in my opinion), assuming this is the starting lineup going forward and Calderon, Bazemore, and Ilyasova are the key backups (not in order):

C - Tie
PF - advantage Hawks
SF - moderate advantage Wizards
SG - advantage Wizards
PG - major advantage Wizards

6th (Ilyasova and Bogdanovic): advantage Hawks
7th: (Bazemore and Oubre): advantage Wizards (I don't like Oubre but he sucks less than Bazemore)
8th: (Calderon and Jennings): advantage Hawks in theory but not really a big advantage because Jennings' mins will likely be limited.

[Lurker]

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

So you can't acknowledge that the Hawks are a different team now than what they were earlier in the season.  Even with the growth of several young players and the addition of vets like Ilyasova and Calderon?  You are a brick wall when it come to objectively evaluating this team.

Morris is a bigger piece than freaking Jose Calderon.

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, Lurker said:

26 point leads aren't commonly blown.

Look, the only Hawks advantage against the Wizards when you go straight up is really Paul Millsap and it's not as big as an advantage as it was. Everything else is a tie or varying from advantage Wizards to major advantage Wizards. Using the top 8 men on the team (in my opinion), assuming this is the starting lineup going forward and Calderon, Bazemore, and Ilyasova are the key backups (not in order):

C - Tie
PF - advantage Hawks
SF - moderate advantage Wizards
SG - advantage Wizards
PG - major advantage Wizards

6th (Ilyasova and Bogdanovic): advantage Hawks
7th: (Bazemore and Oubre): advantage Wizards (I don't like Oubre but he sucks less than Bazemore)
8th: (Calderon and Jennings): advantage Hawks in theory but not really a big advantage because Jennings' mins will likely be limited.

Howard and Gortat a tie??? Lol!!!!  Our bench is far superior to their Bench

[Lurker]

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Howard and Gortat a tie??? Lol!!!!  Our bench is far superior to their Bench

Yes, it's a tie. Howard is nowhere near as impactful as y'all think. He will win stats wise vs Gortat but his impact will be a tie at best with him.

Again, what year are we in on the Hawks bench? In 2016-2017, outside of Hardaway Jr when he's been on the bench, the bench has not been anywhere near what it used to be. Maybe the 2015 Hawks bench is far superior, but this bench is at best a slight advantage and it will not be a factor in winning a series, especially with the Wizards going balls out and having their major guys play 38 MPG, minimum.

[Plainview1981]

One thing to keep in mind is that Washington really hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Morris plays so well against the Hawks and I think that is the real reason that Washington appears to be turning the tide in their battles with the Hawks. Beal and Wall will do their thing, but if Morris plays well they will probably win the series in 5 games. Six at the most.

[Peoriabird]

3 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Yes, it's a tie. Howard is nowhere near as impactful as y'all think. He will win stats wise vs Gortat but his impact will be a tie at best with him.

Again, what year are we in on the Hawks bench? In 2016-2017, outside of Hardaway Jr when he's been on the bench, the bench has not been anywhere near what it used to be. Maybe the 2015 Hawks bench is far superior, but this bench is at best a slight advantage and it will not be a factor in winning a series, especially with the Wizards going balls out and having their major guys play 38 MPG, minimum.

So Thabo, Ilyasova, Bazemore, Caldaron, Muscala Dunlevey, recently aren't superior to any 4-5 players you could come up with on the Wizard's bench?  Again, just ask Cleveland about our bench.  They might have a different perspective than you do.

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

One thing to keep in mind is that Washington really hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Morris plays so well against the Hawks and I think that is the real reason that Washington appears to be turning the tide in their battles with the Hawks. Beal and Wall will do their thing, but if Morris plays well they will probably win the series in 5 games. Six at the most.

Morris has a season long per of 13.5...as a reference Bazemore has a per of 12.

[Plainview1981]

16 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Morris has a season long per of 13.5...as a reference Bazemore has a per of 12.

Production against the Hawks:

17 PPG

7.3 RPG

44% FG

42% in 3's

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/6461/markieff-morris

 

last year:

16.5 PPG

8 RPG

56.5 % FG

55% 3pt

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/6461/year/2016/markieff-morris

The year before that:

15 PPG

6.5 RPG

4 APG

46% FG

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/6461/year/2015/markieff-morris

He is a Hawk killer.

Edited April 10, 2017 by Hotlanta1981

[Lurker]

19 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

So Thabo, Ilyasova, Bazemore, Caldaron, Muscala Dunlevey, recently aren't superior to any 4-5 players you could come up with on the Wizard's bench?  Again, just ask Cleveland about our bench.  They might have a different perspective than you do.

Oh boy! A 2 game sample size!

[MaceCase]

6 hours ago, kg01 said:

Heh, that makes it inadmissable right?  @MaceCase any help?

 

[gonzo]

@kg01 i am moving atm but ill find something for you, come on over. :D

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

Oh boy! A 2 game sample size!

What's your sample size?

1 hour ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Production against the Hawks:

17 PPG

7.3 RPG

44% FG

42% in 3's

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/6461/markieff-morris

 

last year:

16.5 PPG

8 RPG

56.5 % FG

55% 3pt

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/6461/year/2016/markieff-morris

The year before that:

15 PPG

6.5 RPG

4 APG

46% FG

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/6461/year/2015/markieff-morris

He is a Hawk killer.

In case you haven't noticed, the Hawk's roster has changed

[Thomas]

Have my druthers here but am really happy to be able to talk about a postseason run here against anyone and even more we have positives against everyone in front of us during the course of this Eastern battle. We really have a good bit of everything so a ton is on Bud's shoulders to balance our minutes effectively and pray to the heavens he stays at least a little loose with the kids. Scary thought but he has shown he can do it even with green (by his fault) or little used players and take games when we absolutely have to have them.