I’m concerned we TANKED too late

[turnermx]

Neither Dwight Howard or Paul Millsap would have made our team competitive. Just to speculate, I think it was pretty obvious that Dwight may have been an overall negative as it appeared he disrupted our chemistry and I’m sure his OVERALL impact on the court towards our success was neutral. Do you agree ?

Just curious, what exactly do you think Schlenk should’ve/could’ve done to make our team competitive?

Because neither guys got their respective teams over the hump when they left.

 

Exactly this, Millsap’s asking price was too high for what myself and many other Hawks fans I know thought and Dwight just wasn’t a fit. Definitely not a guy you want in the locker room from player development and culture perspective.

 

 

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[JayBirdHawk]

22 hours ago, hazer said:

It should’ve started when Alice Whorefart walked, probably not 5 years ago. Schlenk did very well picking J-Baps and enDorsey (GREAT 6th-man potential) in his first draft. So I have more confidence in his draft skills. And his 5-year plan speaks more of ECFs, not playoffs. Recall that he mentioned being back in the playoffs in a couple of years (‘20) in the 92.9 interview. If all goes well, of course. Big “if”...

Hate to burst that bubble about Schlenk selecting Collins....most of the credit goes to BudCox, Asst. GM Peters, the existing scouting department and minority owner Mit Shah.....who as a Wake Forest alum asked Bud and Co. to check him out....waaaay before Schlenk was hired. And as Schlenk so aptly put it, he was scouting players for a late GSW pick so he relied on the existing hawks scouts and front office reports.

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Mit Shah is a Wake Forest alum and a major benefactor to the school. He recently donated $5 million to the school to build a basketball practice facility. Shah also happens to be a co-owner of the Hawks as he joined the investment team led by principal owner Tony Ressler that purchased the team two years ago.

“He was always nudging me and saying, ‘If you are around at 19, we are going to take you,’” the 19-year-old Collins said. “He came through on his word. I’m happy to be a Hawk. I’m happy to be in Atlanta.”

Shah did more than suggest Collins could be a Hawk. He brought assistant general manager Jeff Peterson to a Wake Forest-Duke game. He spoke to coach Mike Budenholzer about Collins several times before an interview at the NBA Scouting Combine in May.

“We really thought there was no chance he would be there when we picked and there was absolutely no chance he was going to get by us at 19,” Shah said.

Shah was in the Hawks’ war room on draft night Thursday. Manning was at the draft in Brooklyn to support Collins. They began a rapid text exchange when it became clear the Hawks were going to select Collins. Shah described the Hawks’ room as “ecstatic” with the selection.

ECFs in 5 years? Don't see it.

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

4 hours ago, EazyRoc said:

Neither Dwight Howard or Paul Millsap would have made our team competitive. Just to speculate, I think it was pretty obvious that Dwight may have been an overall negative as it appeared he disrupted our chemistry and I’m sure his OVERALL impact on the court towards our success was neutral. Do you agree ?

Just curious, what exactly do you think Schlenk should’ve/could’ve done to make our team competitive?

Because neither guys got their respective teams over the hump when they left.

 

If you truly believe that, why was Dwight traded?  If he was such a bad fit chemistry wise, we possibly could've lost even more games.   We took on a bad contract in Plumlee, traded a very high 2nd round pick, and brought on a player in Belinelli that we had to trade because he was "too good".

[TheNorthCydeRises]

18 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Hate to burst that bubble about Schlenk selecting Collins....most of the credit goes to BudCox, Asst. GM Peters, the existing scouting department and minority owner Mit Shah.....who as a Wake Forest alum asked Bud and Co. to check him out....waaaay before Schlenk was hired. And as Schlenk so aptly put it, he was scouting players for a late GSW pick so he relied on the existing hawks scouts and front office reports.

ECFs in 5 years? Don't see it.

 

OMG . . the dead has arisen!   Welcome back legend.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

So if Schlenk wasn't responsible for Collins, was he even responsible for Dorsey?

Schlenk will take Trae Young if the Hawks are outside the top 2.  And when he takes him at 3, people bet not be shocked around here.

[kg01]

19 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So if Schlenk wasn't responsible for Collins, was he even responsible for Dorsey?

Schlenk will take Trae Young if the Hawks are outside the top 2.  And when he takes him at 3, people bet not be shocked around here.

I wouldn't be shocked but I'd for dang sure be pissed.

[hazer]

39 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Hate to burst that bubble about Schlenk selecting Collins....most of the credit goes to BudCox, Asst. GM Peters, the existing scouting department and minority owner Mit Shah.....who as a Wake Forest alum asked Bud and Co. to check him out....waaaay before Schlenk was hired. And as Schlenk so aptly put it, he was scouting players for a late GSW pick so he relied on the existing hawks scouts and front office reports.

ECFs in 5 years? Don't see it.

 

AAAAAAAAAND she’s back!

 

[hazer]

43 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Hate to burst that bubble about Schlenk selecting Collins....most of the credit goes to BudCox, Asst. GM Peters, the existing scouting department and minority owner Mit Shah.....who as a Wake Forest alum asked Bud and Co. to check him out....waaaay before Schlenk was hired. And as Schlenk so aptly put it, he was scouting players for a late GSW pick so he relied on the existing hawks scouts and front office reports.

ECFs in 5 years? Don't see it.

 

So I guess we’ll just have to see how good ole Schlenk can draft this year then, with the 3 first rounders. And I believed the 3/5 timeframe with Bud onboard, it’ll be pushing it now with what looks like a first-time head coach. Unless...Fiz.  

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Hate to burst that bubble about Schlenk selecting Collins....most of the credit goes to BudCox, Asst. GM Peters, the existing scouting department and minority owner Mit Shah.....who as a Wake Forest alum asked Bud and Co. to check him out....waaaay before Schlenk was hired. And as Schlenk so aptly put it, he was scouting players for a late GSW pick so he relied on the existing hawks scouts and front office reports.

ECFs in 5 years? Don't see it.

 

OMG...We need you more than ever here!  Welcome back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EazyRoc]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

If you truly believe that, why was Dwight traded?  If he was such a bad fit chemistry wise, we possibly could've lost even more games.   We took on a bad contract in Plumlee, traded a very high 2nd round pick, and brought on a player in Belinelli that we had to trade because he was "too good".

Because you don’t keep a bad vet around young developing talent.

[hazer]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

I wouldn't be shocked but I'd for dang sure be pissed.

AAAAAAAAAAND he’s back too!

 

[noble]

Here is what everyone is missing. Even if somehow we had kept our roster mostly in tact, we didn't have a superstar. It wouldn't have mattered if the East was weak or strong, or somewhere or between. This is the NBA, you need a superstar.

I'm so tired of people saying we should have kept the core, add a piece here and there, we could have. No, we couldn't. We couldn't get a superstar here before, what in the world makes anyone think we had a real shot at a ring without one? The NBA is now set up for mega teams. You need young up and coming superstars to bring in veteran superstars. 

What we had was a feel good story like Loyola-Chicago making it to the sweet 16. Played good team ball, but never really had a chance at a ring.

You either win a ring, or you don't. I guess we could have waited until whenever and get lucky to find one in the middle to late draft, or you try to get one at the top of the draft. I want to see a ring for Atlanta. So we what if made the playoffs 50 years in a row? No ring? Still abject failure.

Edited May 3, 2018 by noble

[Sothron]

Welcome back @kg01 and @JayBirdHawk !

[kg01]

44 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Welcome back @kg01 and @JayBirdHawk !

But is it the saaaame cageyone?

... also, shout out to @Spud2nique as well.  He bak too

[Sothron]

Yes, the gang is almost all back then!

[Guard]

This team should’ve rebuilded years ago but for entirely different reasons. 

[BrazilianHawk]

11 hours ago, hazer said:

So I guess we’ll just have to see how good ole Schlenk can draft this year then, with the 3 first rounders. And I believed the 3/5 timeframe with Bud onboard, it’ll be pushing it now with what looks like a first-time head coach. Unless...Fiz.  

LOL.

Then I believed the Hawks would win 11 without Bud onboard. Way to go, chief! I was wrong. It's as simple as that. You were wrong. It's as simple as that.

[BrazilianHawk]

13 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Yes, the gang is almost all back then!

Welcome back all of you.

I still miss Gramps tho. We need some more voices of reason in this madhouse.

[hazer]

45 minutes ago, BrazilianHawk said:

LOL.

Then I believed the Hawks would win 11 without Bud onboard. Way to go, chief! I was wrong. It's as simple as that. You were wrong. It's as simple as that.

Still “to-be-determined” on Schlenk’s drafting skills and the 3/5 timeframe. We’ll have a very good indication soon, after the hiring and draft. Homeruns on both and the 3/5 is still within the realm of possibility. Whiffs on either will definitely change things.

[hazer]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

Welcome back @kg01 and @JayBirdHawk !

 

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

But is it the saaaame cageyone?

... also, shout out to @Spud2nique as well.  He bak too

 

59 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Yes, the gang is almost all back then!

 

44 minutes ago, BrazilianHawk said:

Welcome back all of you.

I still miss Gramps tho. We need some more voices of reason in this madhouse.

We’re getting the band back together t