Welcome to Atlanta De'Andre Hunter and Cam Reddish

[Gray Mule]

18 minutes ago, AHF said:

Dallas feels they have a chance to ..... make the playoffs?

Surely not expecting to win it all !  Make the playoffs?  I suppose..

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Dallas feels they have a chance to ..... make the playoffs?

They do. They been really pumping up KP. They think they have one of the best duos in the NBA next year. Good luck to them

[Spud2nique]

1. Clippers

2. Rockets

3. Lakers

4. jazz

5. Nuggets

6. Warriors 

7. Spurs

8. Kings

9. Mavs (ya they will make it if they change the rules to 9 teams making the playoffs for each conference)!

NO SOUP FOR LUKA! COME BACK ☝ YEAR! (2021) 

 

 

[hazer]

Ohhhh man it’ll be sweet if Hawks slide into the playoffs but My Name Is L*** and Kristoff Poorzinguss miss out. Nothing against Wonderboy, more against BSPN and Jock-Rider Nation. Yeah yeah, weak East, still though

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Can someone post more snippets of the content?

 

 

 

 

[NBASupes]

He hasn't been cleared yet

[gurpilo]

I am beginning to be nervous about Cam's injury, very nervous, why is taking so much time?

[JayBirdHawk]

3 hours ago, gurpilo said:

I am beginning to be nervous about Cam's injury, very nervous, why is taking so much time?

I prefer they take the cautious approach which Chelsea Lane seems to do. See John Collins and Taurean Prince when they both had ankle injuries - held out until fully healed with less chance for re-injury.

He's been practicing and honing his skills  under supervision from trainers, just not cleared for contact to be running with the team.

[NBASupes]

Now that things have cooled off at my job and at his, I been able to reach out to folks especially my contacts. I got some tremendous details. I got the top 5 big board of several teams of the last two years. Especially us. I even got some reasoning as well. 

2018

1. Ayton

They had all top 4 on the same tier. 

1. Doncic

2. Bagley

3. Trae

4. JJJ

Next tier

5. WCJ

Questions:

Why is Ayton crossed out? Atlanta knew they couldn't get him. 

So Atlanta liked JJJ more than Bamba and WCJ. From him, yes. By a lot. They even liked WCJ more. The thing that goes unmentioned is they liked Sexton more than Bamba too he said but they did like Bamba. 

If Doncic went to SAC, Bagley to ATL? I asked this as Bagley was #1 overall on my big board. He said he doesn't know. A lot of times, these are business decisions as well. He thinks Trae would have been the pick regardless but that's just his opinion, he doesn't know. 

Did most teams in the top 5 list look like this? He said in 18, no. He said Dallas and MEM #1 overall prospect was Doncic. PHX, ATL and SAC, Ayton. Said some MEM didn't have Bagley in their top 5. Said a lot had Luka high on their big board but get luck trying to get them to pull the trigger and take him. 

 

For 19, it was crazy, gave me a couple of teams big board like ours, Knicks, Lakers, Memphis and said that only ATL, LAL, and NY had Cam Reddish in the top 10 of their big board

1. Zion 

1t. Cam Reddish

1t. De'Andre Hunter

3. R.J. Barrett

Shocker

4. Jaxson Hayes

Gap

Big Shocker! 

5. P.J. Washington

 

I know what you are going to ask? Why and where is Jarrett Culver? He basically told me that while Atlanta liked him. They saw him as quality depth and not a player who can be a star in their system. They didn't believe in the shot enough. Felt he was a role player for them long term. He was high on the board he says, he thinks 6-7 but Atlanta really really liked P.J. Washington. Felt he was the perfect fit. They felt he could fill a major hole at backup PF and gives them more time to play Collins at both the 4 and 5 from what he said. 

Next, Cam and Hunter. Why 1t? From what he said, Atlanta wanted both players and the plan was to land both players. He said, everyone was split on them but everyone felt but would be good players. The goal was to get better and add more top end players. 

Barrett - 3rd? I asked him this because it seemed R.J. would be 1st but he said, the Hawks were never in love with him but they loved his trade value. They felt they could flip 8/10 for 5 and an unprotected 2020 from CLE. He said they loved that value but NY had R.J. 2nd on their big board behind Zion ahead of Ja. Wasn't happening but CLE had him #2 as well. 

Hayes been high on our big board from the jump. He was always the pick if we kept 8/10. The issue was simple, Atlanta wanted wings more than a big but if they drafted a big in the top 10. It was Hayes. 

Knicks: 

1. Zion

2. R.J. 

3. Ja

4. Hunter

5. Garland

 

Lakers: 

1. Zion

2. Ja

3. R.J. 

4. Garland

5. Hunter

 

Cleveland:

1. Zion

2. R.J. 

3. Ja

4. Garland

5. Hunter

 

NO: 

1. Zion

2t. Ja

2t. R.J. 

4. Garland

5. Hayes

Outside of NO, PHX and Atlanta, everyone in the top 10 had a similar top 5. Even Chicago from what he said.

The biggest shock to me was the gap between Rui and Cam from the rest of the top 10 teams. He said no one but WAS in the top 10 had him there and they had him in the top 5. Said only ATL had Cam in the top 5 and only ATL and NY had him in the top 10. Said LAL did as well but traded out of the top 10 for AD. Said Rui was #4 or #5 on WAS big board. He said Atlanta never hid who they liked he said. Everyone knew it was Hunter and Reddish. Some said they though Atlanta loved Culver and told him it at the time but like the Bamba rumors the year before, it was false. 

 

He said, this is the first year in awhile, teams are happy with their picks. One scout said this is a deep draft class and he agrees with him. He said, by this time, teams get buyer's remorse. If the player is not as good as they thought and training camp is about to start, they get scared but teams are happy. Said, this should be a tough year to get on the All Rookie teams. He said, a lot of these guys could break the rotation. I asked, what about last year. He said, a lot of teams were lukewarm outside of the top teams. He said, this year the vibe is MUCH better. He said this was an eye of the beholder draft but there was a lot of guys who fit team's eyes. Usually that doesn't happen. There is always something wrong but not this year. 

 

Edit: On Culver, he did mention on some scouts board, he was #1 outside of Zion but there were a number who didn't like him like that either. He just didn't move the needle for us collectively. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

Another goodie. The two big fallers from the top 10 of the top 10 teams from his word was Sekou and Goga. Both players were on a lot of the top 10 big boards he stated and both weren't top 10 picks. 

He said some unlucky guys were Nassir Little and Bol Bol. He said some teams had them very high on their big board but those teams had someone available who was even higher and just kept getting passed up. He did say, medical concerns more than anything killed Bol stock

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

On Culver, he did mention on some scouts board, he was #1 outside of Zion but there were a number who didn't like him like that either.

I’ve gone on record as saying I liked him. I’d happy we got Cam, but I’m still on record as saying Culver is baller and will have a very successful career. We shall see. Again, I won’t be surprised if he turns out to be the Jerry Rice of this draft for the NBA.

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I’ve gone on record as saying I liked him. I’d happy we got Cam, but I’m still on record as saying Culver is baller and will have a very successful career. We shall see. Again, I won’t be surprised if he turns out to be the Jerry Rice of this draft for the NBA.

I always hated him for us. He wasn't in my top 5 for us but I liked him a Heck of a lot more than P.J. Washington 

 

I like him in Minnesota. They really don't have a secondary scorer or playmaker that's somewhat efficient and the personnel fits him there. It will be interesting to see what happens but he said yesterday that he is one of the names that getting a lot of internal praise. 

 

I never agreed with the Jerry Rice reference but he could be good in the right situation 

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I never agreed with the Jerry Rice reference but he could be good in the right situation 

nobody does. It’s just a crazy thought I guess. Jerry came from a small school. Not saying Texas Tech is small but it doesn’t have a rich tradition as far as turning out pros on the NBA level. I know there’s Zhaire and maybe a couple more. 

[NBASupes]

24 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

nobody does. It’s just a crazy thought I guess. Jerry came from a small school. Not saying Texas Tech is small but it doesn’t have a rich tradition as far as turning out pros on the NBA level. I know there’s Zhaire and maybe a couple more. 

They have been much better under Beard. 

 

 

I will add a couple more tidbits. This isn't recent. I been got this in late July but I don't think I was posting at that time or if I was, I just didn't mention it. 

 

While our scouts was very high on the depth of this class as was most of the industry. CLP was not in love with this class after workouts. In fact, he didn't think any of the players we projected to be 2nd rounders could be rotational pieces in our system. 

I don't know most of the prospects but some of the guys we really liked, we dropped down a tier after LP worked them out. A name I know for a fact was my guy Brandon Clarke. My guy said LP didn't think he translated well to what we want to do. I loved him. I compared him to DMC with Shawn Marion athleticism. No surprised, who gets him? Taylor Jenkins who work with DMC with the Hawks during our 60 win season and before that. But LP didn't like him. 

 

It was said, LP just wasn't feeling this class as much as the scouts. But he loved Reddish. He loved Hunter. I heard he took a liken to Bruno even at that time. The Athletic wrote about it. LP did mention some of these things in the athletic as well but my guy says, Atlanta took guys off the board that they were high on leading into the workouts. 

I asked about Culver, he didn't have much to say at that time but considering what I was hearing before the workout from some others in the industry to after, I am guessing Culver got nuked too. 

I'll mention this again, there wasn't NO ONE who didn't have a 1st round grade who LP wanted to draft. Bruno from what I've gotten then was a strong candidate for 17. That's why Atlanta likely didn't mind trading two future 2nds for him. 

That said, this draft has different values to different teams. PHX Suns loved their draft. NYK loved their draft. LAC loved their draft. CHI/CLE loved their draft. BOS did as well. Teams who loved the draft the most tried to cash in their chips for this class. 

[NBASupes]

One last thing: 

Teams that tried to move up: 

Hawks to 3. Wanted to move the pick with CLE for 5/and 2020. 

LA for a superstar. Landed AD. 

NO wanted a kings ransom. CHA wanted to move up for Garland or Rui. MIN/BOS for Garland. ATL for Hunter. - ATL landed Hunter

CLE wasn't moving 5 from what I got unless for a king's ransom which also included future picks. 

PHX was open to moving back. CHA and MIN had interest. CHA for Rui, MIN for Culver. - MIN got Culver

CHI wasn't interested in moving up or back. They had a strong feeling that PHX wasn't drafting a PG unless Garland fell. 

NO wanted Hayes, looked at moving back but only so far. CHA had interest in moving up but NO didn't want WAS or ATL to draft Hayes. 

WSH wanted to move back to get Rui but CHA called for guess who? Rui. Passed on it. 

ATL didn't waste anytime, Cam was all they wanted at this point. 

PHX wanted to move back but no interest from other teams and from there it was hard to move back in the late lottery - mid 1st range. 

 

CHA had Rui high on their board as did WSH. CHA was open to trading a top 10 protected 1st next year that never dropped in protection which didn't interest anyone but WSH who wanted Rui too. 

[bleachkit]

15 hours ago, NBASupes said:

I always hated him for us. He wasn't in my top 5 for us but I liked him a Heck of a lot more than P.J. Washington 

 

I like him in Minnesota. They really don't have a secondary scorer or playmaker that's somewhat efficient and the personnel fits him there. It will be interesting to see what happens but he said yesterday that he is one of the names that getting a lot of internal praise. 

 

I never agreed with the Jerry Rice reference but he could be good in the right situation 

So Zion was not in our top 5? 

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, bleachkit said:

So Zion was not in our top 5? 

Did you not see Zion crossed out. He was our clear #1 prospect. Once he went off the board when NO got the pick, we changed our board.

Edited August 31, 2019 by NBASupes

[bleachkit]

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Did you not see Zion crossed out. He was our clear #1 prospect. Once he went off the board when NO got the pick, we changed our board.

Do with no trades it would have been Hayes and Reddish?

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Do with no trades it would have been Hayes and Reddish?

Not certain but based on the big board, it would seem that way.