Trae Young - The Man, The Viper, and The Prosecution aka The MVP aka Ice Trae

[KB21]

2 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

They tried to get Siakam at least.  If we kept Collins and signed an MLE player we'd have like a $200M payroll.  

We used high draft picks on guys like Hunter, Okongwu, and Cam.  Traded future draft picks for Murray.  Spent heavy on Collins, Hunter, and Capela. 

Everyone went nuts over not using the MLE because that was the ONLY option we had to get better.  Every other card was played.  It would need to have been a killer MLE signing to justify being the ninth luxury tax team in the league.  

Our current FO is not that great AND they are trying to patch a ship that is sinking.  

I maintain that our current front office is good but is hampered by ownership who wants to interject their desires into the equation.  Our previous GM wasn't that good though at team building, and we are paying for mistakes he made.  

[REHawksFan]

6 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

they are trying to patch a ship that is sinking.  

They shot holes in their own ship and then tried to patch them with bubblegum.  

[REHawksFan]

12 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I maintain that our current front office is good but is hampered by ownership who wants to interject their desires into the equation.  Our previous GM wasn't that good though at team building, and we are paying for mistakes he made.  

You may be 100% correct about Landry and Kyle, but does it really matter?  Tony and Nicky aren't firing themselves so they might as well be lumped in as part of any front office conversation.  

Edited May 1 by REHawksFan

[Final_quest]

46 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I maintain that our current front office is good but is hampered by ownership who wants to interject their desires into the equation.  Our previous GM wasn't that good though at team building, and we are paying for mistakes he made.  

Hope you're right.  Kyle Korver gets a lot of respect, but not sure what tangible actions Landry and Kyle have taken that gives them a good reputation as a FO.  Quin?  

[KB21]

Just now, Final_quest said:

Hope you're right.  Kyle Korver gets a lot of respect, but not sure what tangible actions Landry and Kyle have taken that gives them a good reputation as a FO.  Quin?  

Landry has a good foundation under him.  He has apprenticed in the best front office in all of basketball in San Antonio.  He's very very intelligent, and the moves that he has made given the constraints he has on him with the directive to avoid the tax have been very good moves. 

The moves that Landry has made without Schlenk being around:

• Traded for Saddiq Bey.  While Bey has had to fill a bigger role than he should be filling, this was a good trade.  They didn't give up much at all to get him, and he's a good fit alongside Trae and in Quin's system because he either drives and attacks the basket or he shoots from deep.  He's a rotational player that is good.  
• Hired Quin Snyder as head coach.  He got the absolute best coach that was available and got him to come in mid-season.  Fantastic hire!
• Bogdanovich extension.  This is a very good deal for the Hawks, and Bogi is another guy that fits Quin's style.  
• Murray extension.  Despite the ill fit with Trae, Murray's extension is very much below market for a player of his caliber.  This is a very good deal that should be very attractive on the trade market if they decide to move him, but it's also a good deal if they choose to move on from Trae and keep Dejounte.
• Okongwu extension.  Another team friendly deal for a player who has the ability to be a top 10 center in the NBA.  

[AHF]

4 hours ago, Final_quest said:

They tried to get Siakam at least.  If we kept Collins and signed an MLE player we'd have like a $200M payroll.  

We used high draft picks on guys like Hunter, Okongwu, and Cam.  Traded future draft picks for Murray.  Spent heavy on Collins, Hunter, and Capela. 

Everyone went nuts over not using the MLE because that was the ONLY option we had to get better.  Every other card was played.  It would need to have been a killer MLE signing to justify being the ninth luxury tax team in the league.  

Our current FO is not that great AND they are trying to patch a ship that is sinking.  

Bear in mind that we could have used most of our MLE and NOT been a luxury tax team.  We had significant room to play with especially if you remove a salary from the roster (i.e., you use the MLE instead of signing Wesley Matthews so you have the cap room we had all year plus the cap space that WM took up and you combine those to sign someone for up to $10.7M + the cap space from not adding WM or a bit over $12M in space where you still avoid the tax). 

By the end of the year we were simultaneously overplaying vets to try to make the playoffs and pretending like refusing to have Vit playoff eligible was some mastermind cap move instead of what it obviously was:  tanking to keep ourselves in the lottery.  Definitely doesn't inspire confidence.  (I'm just relieved no one got hurt down the stretch with Bogi playing almost 35 mpg and DJM frequently exceeding 40 mpg for much of March and April).

[JayBirdHawk]

The Best of the NBA’s Next Generation Rankings

The 25 best players in the NBA age 25 and under

 

 

T-15. Trae Young

Age: 25 | Top 100 ranking: 35 | Overall score: 32.8
25.7 points, 2.8 rebounds, 10.8 assists, 1.3 steals, 51.6 eFG%, 54 GP

Reason for hope: When it comes to the failures of the Trae Young era in Atlanta, there’s plenty of blame pie to go around—but the Hawks never surrounded Young with enough size or dynamism. Then, in a last-ditch effort to salvage things, they paired him with … another point guard?! Trae’s offense is legit: He’s a genius passer with an innate sense for manipulating defenses. He just needs to curb his worst impulses and find teammates who actually complement him.

Reason for doubt: I may not be able to quit Young, but many of his former teammates and coaches have. Young’s insistence on playing his way—dominating the ball, jacking logo 3s, getting torched on defense—isn’t just grating to the people around him; there’s also little evidence that it can lead to winning basketball.

Bold prediction: Young will be traded to the Lakers this offseason, form the NBA’s most potent alley-oop connection with Anthony Davis, and help LeBron reach one more NBA Finals with L.A. —Levy-Rubinett

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/22/24162049/best-nba-players-25-and-under-rankings

[Jdawgflow]

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

The Best of the NBA’s Next Generation Rankings

The 25 best players in the NBA age 25 and under

 

 

T-15. Trae Young

Age: 25 | Top 100 ranking: 35 | Overall score: 32.8
25.7 points, 2.8 rebounds, 10.8 assists, 1.3 steals, 51.6 eFG%, 54 GP

Reason for hope: When it comes to the failures of the Trae Young era in Atlanta, there’s plenty of blame pie to go around—but the Hawks never surrounded Young with enough size or dynamism. Then, in a last-ditch effort to salvage things, they paired him with … another point guard?! Trae’s offense is legit: He’s a genius passer with an innate sense for manipulating defenses. He just needs to curb his worst impulses and find teammates who actually complement him.

Reason for doubt: I may not be able to quit Young, but many of his former teammates and coaches have. Young’s insistence on playing his way—dominating the ball, jacking logo 3s, getting torched on defense—isn’t just grating to the people around him; there’s also little evidence that it can lead to winning basketball.

Bold prediction: Young will be traded to the Lakers this offseason, form the NBA’s most potent alley-oop connection with Anthony Davis, and help LeBron reach one more NBA Finals with L.A. —Levy-Rubinett

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/22/24162049/best-nba-players-25-and-under-rankings

I love how Trae sucks so back we need to trade him but he is going to lead the Lakers to the finals.  SMH.

[Final_quest]

1 hour ago, Jdawgflow said:

I love how Trae sucks so back we need to trade him but he is going to lead the Lakers to the finals.  SMH.

You can set your watch to these takes.  

[REHawksFan]

4 hours ago, Jdawgflow said:

I love how Trae sucks so back we need to trade him but he is going to lead the Lakers to the finals.  SMH.

The messaging seems pretty clear to me. Atlanta has failed at putting complementary players around Trae. That's the bottom line.

The headlines and shock jock stance is "Trae isn't a winning player" and "no one likes playing with Trae" but the reality is the "experts" think he is a winning player if he has the right guys around him. 

It's also funny that "no one likes to play with him" but the Lakers and LeBron are going to sign off on him coming to town?

Hmmm.....

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[bird_dirt]

[kg01]

1 hour ago, bird_dirt said:

One of yall translate, please.

I old. 

[Spud2nique]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Superstar, yet media still says selfish  

[Carmine]

The pendulum is beginning to shift. Trae is starting to get criminally underrated amongst media members, and fans of the N.B.A (some local). I even see fans of other teams on realGM & Reddit scoff at the idea of trading for Trae Young . Once we trade D.J. & get some much-needed roster alignment, he's taking off. Just wait...

[bird_dirt]

4 hours ago, kg01 said:

One of yall translate, please.

I old. 

Trae showing his appreciation of Jalen Suggs. 
Depending on where you’re sitting, it’s an overreaction predicting Trae getting traded to ORL or Suggs getting traded to Atlanta. 

[Threezus]

On 5/22/2024 at 5:48 PM, Jdawgflow said:

I love how Trae sucks so back we need to trade him but he is going to lead the Lakers to the finals.  SMH.

If Trae gets traded to the Lakers then Anthony Davis better be coming back to Atlanta.   I can fully get behind a pairing of big group of Jalen, Sarr, and Davis at the 3,4,5. 

[kg01]

10 hours ago, bird_dirt said:

Trae showing his appreciation of Jalen Suggs. 
Depending on where you’re sitting, it’s an overreaction predicting Trae getting traded to ORL or Suggs getting traded to Atlanta. 

Thanks.  So clearly it's Trae to ORL for 3 2nds. 

3 hours ago, Threezus said:

If Trae gets traded to the Lakers then Anthony Davis better be coming back to Atlanta.   I can fully get behind a pairing of big group of Jalen, Sarr, and Davis at the 3,4,5. 

EZPass.

That'd give us 2 center-sized guys that don't want to play the 5.  Day2Davis has famously said he doesn't want to and Sarr has allegedly said it.

I want no part of tryna convince Day2Davis to play whole games each night without the threat of Lebron looming over him. 

[Spud2nique]

14 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Thanks.  So clearly it's Trae to ORL for 3 2nds. 

EZPass.

That'd give us 2 center-sized guys that don't want to play the 5.  Day2Davis has famously said he doesn't want to and Sarr has allegedly said it.

I want no part of tryna convince Day2Davis to play whole games each night without the threat of Lebron looming over him. 

I wouldn’t trade Trae to the Lakers if my hair was on fire , I’d be the dude in the Titanic and just sink before trading Trae to the Lakers. Even if he wanted out, WHICH HE DOES NOT, I would TAKE LESS from another franchise for him not to go to the Lakers.

 

The Lakers are that franchise that takes all the great players once established because of their history, I’d say the Celtics don’t do it nearly as much as the Lakers. I mean they got KG and got a ring, but Lakers have had every big name player go there in the last 40 years I been following the league, f that.

17 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Thanks.  So clearly it's Trae to ORL for 3 2nds. 

I’d do this before turning him over to the Fakers. 

[JayBirdHawk]