Sign and Trade John Collins for Steven Adams

[JeffS17]

I think we're fine at center.  Clint will expire after two more seasons and OO will take the starting role (if he doesn't sooner).  We'll have to address backup C at that point but I think we have more urgent issues at backup PG and at SG.  I don't see us keeping Bogi for the length of his contract, especially with the risk of him being in a situation where he picks up the player options, so it will be interesting to see when we decide to trade him.  It might depend on how comfortable he is coming off the bench again.

[Atlantaholic]

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Adams is a pure center these days. He doesn't have his same athleticism he once had. 

And his touch around the basket and at the line make Clint look like Hakeem by comparison.

[ATLHawks3]

7 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

Your move would be to trade Clint and pair Adams with JC.   That would work. It should even satisfy the folks who don't believe a Capela/Adams front court would work.  In fact, I agree with Adams being the better center for what the Hawks do and NEED.  The reason I wanted Collins gone is he IS gonna demand a max because somebody is gonna offer him that.  Should the Hawks match that offer and STILL have a big man problem on defense?  Again, I like YOUR lineup better for what the Hawks need.

This is a better scenario. However I'd want more from New Orleans if I was the Hawks. If they offered Adams + NAW for Capela, I'd do that trade yesterday.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, ATLHawks3 said:

This is a better scenario. However I'd want more from New Orleans if I was the Hawks. If they offered Adams + NAW for Capela, I'd do that trade yesterday.

I don't see the Hawks trading Clint for Adams even if NO offered Hayes. Clint metrics wise has been massive for us while Adams had a major down year where he considered himself, "dead weight". 

[ATLHawks3]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

I don't see the Hawks trading Clint for Adams even if NO offered Hayes. Clint metrics wise has been massive for us while Adams had a major down year where he considered himself, "dead weight". 

NAW is Nickeil-Alexander Walker. Hayes is too raw right now. NAW has that explosive scorer potential as a 6th man next year that I like a lot.

[Hawkmoor]

15 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said:

NAW is Nickeil-Alexander Walker. Hayes is too raw right now. NAW has that explosive scorer potential as a 6th man next year that I like a lot.

You pivoted in another direction, but I like it.  First, my main point is I rather get rid of Collins BECAUSE of the size problem going against the bigger front courts.  The solution you presented of keeping Collins and getting that size by trading Capela for Adams AND getting Walker.  Thats very enticing.  Thats something that would depend on how Nate and Travis view the bigs going forward and whether they feel as I do that size would continue to be a problem.  My original point of view had them trading for Adams just to GET SOMETHING for Collins that would help the size problem.  You brought a entire different scenario.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Hawkmoor

[RedDawg#8]

"It's the most, wonderful time, of the year"

[bleachkit]

17 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I don't see the Hawks trading Clint for Adams even if NO offered Hayes. Clint metrics wise has been massive for us while Adams had a major down year where he considered himself, "dead weight". 

We aren't trading Clint, not right now anyways. I think TS likes the chemistry of this group, and his ability to play with Trae. But I hope they at least noted his terrible showing the playoffs, and that CC has struggled in the playoffs throughout his career. 

[Hawkmoor]

2 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

"It's the most, wonderful time, of the year"

I'm way ahead of whoever that was that pinned the article in that other thread where he had the Hawks trade Hunter, Reddish,  Bogi, Okongwu and 3 Firsts for Bradley Beal.  

[h4wkfan]

We can’t start 6’ 8” John Collins against the bucks. But the suns managed starting Jae Crowder at 6’6” and Mikal  Bridges at 6’6” with no issues? that’s not taking into account 6’8” Reddish & Hunter too. Collins and Capela size was not and is not the issue.

Things that make you go .

Edited July 7, 2021 by h4wkfan

[bleachkit]

23 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

I'm way ahead of whoever that was that pinned the article in that other thread where he had the Hawks trade Hunter, Reddish,  Bogi, Okongwu and 3 Firsts for Bradley Beal.  

Throw Trae in there while you're at it.

[Hawkmoor]

18 minutes ago, h4wkfan said:

We can’t start 6’ 8” John Collins against the bucks. But the suns managed starting Jae Crowder at 6’6” and Mikal  Bridges at 6’6” with no issues? that’s not taking into account 6’8” Reddish & Hunter too. Collins and Capela size was not and is not the issue.

Things that make you go .

6' 11" Deandre Ayton vs the entire midget Hawks front court.  

 

 

[RedDawg#8]

27 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

I'm way ahead of whoever that was that pinned the article in that other thread where he had the Hawks trade Hunter, Reddish,  Bogi, Okongwu and 3 Firsts for Bradley Beal.  

Fair enough lol The trade rumors during the season have me completely turned off to whats to come during the offseason.

 

[Sothron]

Did realgm invade the Squawk??

[h4wkfan]

27 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

6' 11" Deandre Ayton vs the entire midget Hawks front court.  

 

 

Ayton: 7’1” in shoes with a 7’5.5” wingspan and 9’3” standing reach. 
 

Capela: 6’11” in shoes with a 7’4.5” wingspan and 9’5” standing reach. 

if only we had Steven adams: 7’0” in shoes with a 7’4.5” wingspan and 9’1.5” standing reach we’d be in the finals right now.
 

not to mention all of the little things that he does better than capela to impact the game! 

Edited July 7, 2021 by h4wkfan

[terrell]

2 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

This is what i like about the playoffs:  It REALLY exposes what your team is about.  During the season, you can hide weaknesses.  During the season, you can be fooled by what you believed was a strength.  The playoffs change everything.  As I look at the Atlanta Hawks roster,  the playoffs proved their strengths.  They have enough roster depth and scoring to compete for championships in the East.  (a healthy Cam and Hunter in limited playing time proved that).  What was revealed as a weakness is a front court of Capela and Collins can not stop the front courts of Philly and especially Milwaukee.   The team is built to get back to the playoffs.  No problem.  The problem is the lack of size and physicality along the front line.  Hunter will help in that regard,  but its the height issue that I don't like.  Embiid, Giannis and especially Brook Lopez, were out there getting into the paint and the rim with way too much ease.  In fact, anytime they stepped in the paint, it was a automatic rebound and or points.

Enter the trade that would put the Hawks in the NBA finals.  This has ZERO to do with Collins contract demands.  This is about what the Hawks need.  Collins and Adams have similar rebound numbers.  Collins has more points.  This ain't about points.  This ain't about the even rebound numbers.  This about WHEN and how Adams gets his rebounds.  This is about a bigger body the Hawks need, WITH EXPERIENCE, that can body Embiid, Giannis and Lopez off the weakside. He can body ANYBODY in the NBA.  Adams also has the versatility to where you can plug him into either the center or power forward slot.  He can score from 12 out to keep defenses honest.  He is the answer to the help that Capela needs down low.  

The Pelicans HAVE been rumored to be hot on Collins and want to pair him with Zion.  Sign and trade.  Go into the luxury tax if you have to ( Ressler said he would).  The Hawks would have a fearsome big lineup that nobody could stop.  

pg Young

sg Bogi

sf Hunter

pf Adams

c Capela

Lopez just having his way with Collins:

 

 

THE ANSWER

 

 

 

 

 

Capela and Adams on the floor together?

[JayBirdHawk]

Glad I'm late to this thread, most have covered that the Capela/Adams pairing will not work as a tandem.

 

I will say, at the trade deadline last season when the Hawks were looking for a center - Adams was at the top of my wish list. I wanted to sent OKC their 2022 pick back for him. They wanted #16 which at the time was too much for his expiring contract.

[Diesel]

2 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

You DEFINITELY can't play Collins and Capela again going up againt them front lines they met in the playoffs.  How many times Collins gonna show some of yall?

 

 

IF we have defenders that can stop the drive, we will be ok. 

[Final_quest]

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

IF we have defenders that can stop the drive, we will be ok. 

Simple as that.  The Clippers won the Gobert match up by going small.  In a series against top teams you won’t win every match up.  You just can’t lose them all.  
 

 

[JTB]

11 hours ago, Diesel said:

IF we have defenders that can stop the drive, we will be ok. 

And that’s more than likely the thought process in the front office. The best case scenario defensively that can help Clint be better is a healthy Deandre Hunter returning and a consistent offensive game from Cam to insert himself in the starting lineup at SG for Bogi.

then as planned by schlenk our two best perimeter defenders are in the starting lineup defending the perimeter way better than what Bogi and Huerter can do.