The Official NBASupes, Sothron, and theCampster Insider Thread - NBA 2022-23 Season

[ABH]

10 hours ago, JTB said:

What's next??

Edited June 23, 2023 by ABH

[JayBirdHawk]

There are still a handful of trade candidates that could be on the move with money matters in mind, most notably in Atlanta. In addition to previously reported dialogue between the Hawks and Pacers about trading forward De’Andre Hunter to Indiana, there were also significant talks between Atlanta and Detroit about moving Hunter to the Pistons, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Hawks also re-engaged the Jazz about trading John Collins to Utah, sources said, but no deals for Atlanta’s veterans ever materialized.

– via Jake Fischer @ Yahoo! Sports

[Final_quest]

9 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

I think people just want to feel like we are getting better.  I’ve always been a supporter of running it back (with maybe some fringe moves) because I want Quin to have time with the roster.

 

 I think we’ll be getting better regardless of trades happening, but we cant see that progress until the end of October

I'd like to understand this more clearly.  If there is truth to the draft rumors and willingness to trade anyone on our frontline, do you get the sense that our FO is aligned with this take?

I got a number of other disagreements, another one is our previous spending is colliding with an entire bench of rookie contract guys who are next in line to get paid, plus Murray.  Especially after trading for Bey, to put a blind eye towards our cap situation this offseason seems almost reckless.

The other question is with regards to Quin.  Maybe he has seen enough with a few of our players and he already know he wants to make some adjustments.  Particularly looks like he may have clashed with Hunter.  

There is hazardous change for the sake of change and giving away assets for pennies on the dollar, but there is also a hazard with believing you can whip a .500 roster into shape and then it will be worth going over the 2nd apron next year.    

[NBASupes]

https://theathletic.com/4634311/2023/06/23/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft-landry-fields?source=user-shared-article

[hylndr11]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

https://theathletic.com/4634311/2023/06/23/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft-landry-fields?source=user-shared-article

Can you post please

[NBASupes]

Just now, hylndr11 said:

Can you post please

Ahf don't like us posting full article from that site. I'll post a clip tho.

Quote

The Hawks aren’t in either place this offseason. They may be in the most difficult place of all. They’re in the middle, possessing some talent and upside but also fat contracts and luxury cap constraints that put them on the wrong side of leverage in almost any potential trade discussion. It doesn’t mean they can’t get better. But if they do that will mostly be because of improved coaching from Quin Snyder and his staff, not a change of the pieces. This won’t be a short-term fix, something general manager Landry Fields acknowledged late Thursday night after the draft.

 

Fields initially made a brief reference to a “long-term play,” when asked on stage about his efforts to get the Hawks to the level of a contender. After the press conference, he was even more straightforward about the potential difficulty of moving certain players and reshaping the roster to his and Snyder’s liking.

 

“It’s going to take some time,” Fields told The Athletic. “I don’t expect us to do any or everything right here and right now — I expect it to take time. I just think that with where we’re at, I put a lot of faith in what Quin and all the coaches are doing. We’ve got moves to consider, and we’re going to look at them. But the development is also a big deal.”

 

[TheFuzz]

Unable to quote @JayBirdHawk, but I suspect we take the best deal for Murray, Hunter or Collins to free up some of our logjams and get under the tax. If the deals knock our socks off maybe we trade 2 of them. Sacramento, Indiana and Charlotte have cap and would probably like Hunter or Collins. Move Capela to the bench and we're golden.

 

Edit: @NBASupes I like the snippet from the article. I think this is going to take some patience particularly because we've got a lot of very talented young guys on the roster. Bufkin, Griffin, JJ still on rookie contracts, Bey and OO up for extensions. Those players are more talented and versatile than our current frontcourt but they aren't quite ready yet.

Edited June 23, 2023 by TheFuzz

[hylndr11]

 

3 minutes ago, hylndr11 said:

Koonin needs to stop saying how valued our players are around the league, most.of us expected this to be a retool anyway.  No ody was beating down the door for our guys, unless we were just asking for too much which it didn't sound like.  Trae must have been onboard with it as well or we wouldn't be seeing the moves being made we have seen so far so I don't believe that extreme either, that he'll ask out soon.  The new cba isn't going to have guys jumping around as much to make super teams and should create more parity and be better for teams especially like ours who will spend up into the 1st apron maybe .  

The most leverage we'll have is if these guys play well early because of development and then raise their value by the trade deadline

Edited June 23, 2023 by hylndr11

[Spud2nique]

Fisher says we talking to the Pistons about Hunter trade.

[JeffS17]

35 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Ahf don't like us posting full article from that site. I'll post a clip tho.

 

Thanks for posting — this makes perfect sense and is exactly why I think time is the only thing that can get us where we want. Its clear no one is excited to give us good value for the pieces we’re willing to move.  
 

And to respond to @Final_quest, I think youve completely dismissed the impact Quin and his new staff should and will have.  Yes, it was a .500 roster last year, but that does not mean we’ll be a .500 roster this year.  Quin will work with this squad and get us to a better place — if we don’t believe that, we’re in for a lot more disappointment than some missed trades.  And through Quin and improved results, the players we do have suddenly become more valuable.

 

im not going to tell you we have a roster that can contend right now, but I do believe we have a group that can make a regular season splash and improve their own stock around the league at which point trades become more palatable.  I wouldn't be surprised if we largely hang tight and then make favorable moves at the deadline.

33 minutes ago, hylndr11 said:

 

The most leverage we'll have is if these guys play well early because of development and then raise their value by the trade deadline

If i wasnt typing on my phone, you wouldnt have beat me to this!

[NBASupes]

23 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Fisher says we talking to the Pistons about Hunter trade.

And it got nowhere. Schultz mention in the article that any trade with JC, Hunter, or Capela will get us nickels on a dollar which wasn't appealing at all which is why Landry said, we wasn't close to a deal. 

This is definitely going to be on Quin and player development. Something Kyle and Landry keep harping on. 

I really believe it's going to take everyone really buying into Coach Quin. 

[NBASupes]

At some point, we will have to make a trade if we want to keep OO and/or Bey and potentially keep Murray. 

 

Just be thankful that Tony is okay paying the LT this year. 

Edited June 23, 2023 by NBASupes

[ShooterSays]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Schultz mention in the article that any trade with JC, Hunter, or Capela will get us nickels on a dollar which wasn't appealing at all

Tony likes to keep his nickels and dimes though -

 

[hylndr11]

Yea but everyone was saying how valuable capela is and teams were after him

[Hawkmoor]

56 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

I'd like to understand this more clearly.  If there is truth to the draft rumors and willingness to trade anyone on our frontline, do you get the sense that our FO is aligned with this take?

I got a number of other disagreements, another one is our previous spending is colliding with an entire bench of rookie contract guys who are next in line to get paid, plus Murray.  Especially after trading for Bey, to put a blind eye towards our cap situation this offseason seems almost reckless.

The other question is with regards to Quin.  Maybe he has seen enough with a few of our players and he already know he wants to make some adjustments.  Particularly looks like he may have clashed with Hunter.  

There is hazardous change for the sake of change and giving away assets for pennies on the dollar, but there is also a hazard with believing you can whip a .500 roster into shape and then it will be worth going over the 2nd apron next year.    

The Hawks as of Ocotober 2022 were at 110 wins per player ratio.  (10 percent in the green relative to cost per wins).  They stated they would go into the luxury tax to build a championship team, backed off that by salary dumping Huerter and Gallinari, and now appear to be dumping Murray.  Its all over the place.  The value of the Hawks is good though. Its about team value, period.

[DS5]

Next year for sure though!

[macdaddy]

Just now, ShooterSays said:

Tony likes to keep his nickels and dimes though -

 

He better start hoping that some young guys break out.  His, likely short, tenure as Hawks owner is looking worse and worse.    Well he got his brother a sweet heart development deal for the gulch so I guess they're happy.   Once that's in place the for sale sign will go up on the Hawks. 

 

 

[NBASupes]

Just now, ShooterSays said:

Tony likes to keep his nickels and dimes though -

 

Windy is full of shit. The whole Brogdon shit was false. LAC just didn't want to do a deal without a physical and KP had one hour to opt into his final year. Windy talks to exes around the league and some of the shit they say isn't accurate. Unless Landry, Kyle, or others are telling teams that that shit which they aren't, it's ducktales.

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

Tony likes to keep his nickels and dimes though -

 

Wel lookie, lookie....surprise, surprise...NOT!

I wanted to be wrong  

[Final_quest]

@JeffS17 I agree that our roster can perform a lot better with Quin Snyder and some other tweaks.  But that isn't the whole enchilada to me.  Couldn't we be even better with the right adjustments to the roster, even major adjustments? 

Additionally how do you see it playing out with the cap if we retain everyone and go over the first apron this year leading into next season and still having Bey, Murray, and Okongwu with big raises in queue?  Said another way skipping any adjustments this year puts us in a pretty significant bind next year.  

I really see don't see much wisdom in standing pat.  If a lot of teams are wanting to make deals right now, we should be active.