2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[Gray Mule]

8 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

I think most people don't want to do the leg work to compare his rookie season to others in the past. If they did they would be surprised how well he did considering he got thrown to the fire as a 19 year old.

The following might open a lot of eyes here on the board. I took out ORB and DRB breakdown to make the columns fit.

Jaylen Brown:

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2016-17	20	BOS	NBA	SF	78	20	1341	5.2	11.4	.454	1.2	3.6	.341	3.9	7.7	.507	2.3	3.3	.685	5.9	1.7	0.9	0.5	1.8	3.8	13.8

AJ:

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2022-23	19	ATL	NBA	SF	72	12	1401	6.4	13.7	.465	2.6	6.7	.390	3.8	7.0	.536	1.1	1.2	.894	3.9	1.9	1.1	0.3	1.1	2.2	16.4

 

And the winner is - - - US !!

[Marvin24Williams]

[thecampster]

So wrapping my head around the proposed trade of Lillard to Miami....the trade will be 

 

Lillard for

 

Herro +1 player + 2 1sts  (or more).

 

Given Lillard's age (33) plus that Lillard hasn't played over 67 games in over 4 years and that he's signed through 26-27 at $62.3 million.....I'm trying to wrap my head around why Miami is doing this.

 

They're already missing their 2025 draft pick and the roster is aging.  Lillard is not a good defender and is only going to decline with age. I'm not understanding this.  They'll end up over $30 million over the 2nd apron and remove all flexibility going forward. This is a serious degenerate gambler vegas bet.

[bird_dirt]

12 minutes ago, thecampster said:

So wrapping my head around the proposed trade of Lillard to Miami....the trade will be 

 

Lillard for

 

Herro +1 player + 2 1sts  (or more).

 

Given Lillard's age (33) plus that Lillard hasn't played over 67 games in over 4 years and that he's signed through 26-27 at $62.3 million.....I'm trying to wrap my head around why Miami is doing this.

 

They're already missing their 2025 draft pick and the roster is aging.  Lillard is not a good defender and is only going to decline with age. I'm not understanding this.  They'll end up over $30 million over the 2nd apron and remove all flexibility going forward. This is a serious degenerate gambler vegas bet.

Shhhhhhh…….don’t even say this out loud. Just let them do it. 

[Blunt91]

At this juncture, I woud just do a Capela for Valanciunas deal.   The Pelicans supposedly want a rim protector and we need a center who can hit the three and make his free throws when sent to the line.   Solid deal for both teams IMO.

[kg01]

15 minutes ago, thecampster said:

So wrapping my head around the proposed trade of Lillard to Miami....the trade will be 

 

Lillard for

 

Herro +1 player + 2 1sts  (or more).

 

Given Lillard's age (33) plus that Lillard hasn't played over 67 games in over 4 years and that he's signed through 26-27 at $62.3 million.....I'm trying to wrap my head around why Miami is doing this.

 

They're already missing their 2025 draft pick and the roster is aging.  Lillard is not a good defender and is only going to decline with age. I'm not understanding this.  They'll end up over $30 million over the 2nd apron and remove all flexibility going forward. This is a serious degenerate gambler vegas bet.

Hey, Lillllllr'd has so much postseason success.  They're tryna cash in on that, obvi.  

1 minute ago, bird_dirt said:

Shhhhhhh…….don’t even say this out loud. Just let them do it. 

Eggsactly, bird.  Eggsactly.  

[theheroatl]

I want Lillard in Miami - It will handicap them for years. They just like feeling wanted.

[bleachkit]

44 minutes ago, Blunt91 said:

At this juncture, I woud just do a Capela for Valanciunas deal.   The Pelicans supposedly want a rim protector and we need a center who can hit the three and make his free throws when sent to the line.   Solid deal for both teams IMO.

Id be on board with that. 

[Hawkish]

4 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Id be on board with that. 

I think this idea was floated earlier.  I’d ask for JV+.

[Spud2nique]

Outsider update: 

 

I’m hearing NBA transactions including the Hawks going after the 3rd of the big 3 will start heating up on the 17th.. this coming Monday. Until then, it’s pretty dead is what @kg01 is hearing as well.  

-Outsiders

[Marvin24Williams]

Announce the trade already!!!!!!

[ABH]

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Outsider update: 

 

I’m hearing NBA transactions including the Hawks going after the 3rd of the big 3 will start heating up on the 17th.. this coming Monday. Until then, it’s pretty dead is what @kg01 is hearing as well.  

-Outsiders

So much teasing

[JTB]

4 minutes ago, ABH said:

So much teasing

It really is. It’s way too many coincidences in my opinion.

[theheroatl]

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Outsider update: 

 

I’m hearing NBA transactions including the Hawks going after the 3rd of the big 3 will start heating up on the 17th.. this coming Monday. Until then, it’s pretty dead is what @kg01 is hearing as well.  

-Outsiders

I heard some of the outsiders are connected to Nick Ressler. Just passing on this info. Do what you must with it.

Edited July 15, 2023 by theheroatl

[TwolvesFan77]

Is the KAT to Hawks steam dead insiders and outsiders?

[marco102]

8 minutes ago, TwolvesFan77 said:

Is the KAT to Hawks steam dead insiders and outsiders?

Pushed back to September if it's going to happen per the "insiders" earlier in the thread.

[thecampster]

51 minutes ago, TwolvesFan77 said:

Is the KAT to Hawks steam dead insiders and outsiders?

 

So you've heard Steve Koonin on local AM radio (Atlanta) talking about having deals in place that they thought were going to get done on draft night (which I reported on at the time) and recently as well (which we've all talked about). What I said before is what I said before but with a caveat.

 

1) No deal is dead but they're at a wall.  There is more out there than KAT/Siakam for the Hawks but these were the 2 deals that were the most close and highest profile. Some deals come together in a day. Some get worked out over a week or two. A smaller percentage of the time deals go through stages where frameworks are created and both sides give a final best offer and they take a cooling off period while each team verifies if they want to take the other's best offer.  That is what's going on now.

2) Remember there are other teams working out deals as well and sometimes this thing gets complicated. Teams get wind of a deal and they get in to either try and get better by being a third party or they jump in to try and steal the deal from one party or the other.  I believe this is what happened with the Siakam deal (actually I know). Because we'd inquired about Siakam  in the past, they approached us about interest in Siakam when they learned we had a stalled framework with Minny.  Trying to steal the opportunity from Minnesota.  By extension, Indiana jumped in to try to supplant Atlanta in the Toronto deal.

3) Atlanta is not the only team with trade chips being added over the next two months. Any extensions that happed after July 15th last year and before the start of training camp also fit into this mold.  Its very possible the deal is waiting on a 3rd party's player to become available.  Below is a list of all players who signed veteran extensions with their team last season. I don't have the dates handy but you can research each player's eligibility to be traded date on fanspo or spotrac, I believe.

 

What this means is during this cool-off, one of the teams could decide to take the other's best offer and make the deal.  They could also be waiting on a player to become available to take that version of the deal or 3 wait on a player to become available on a 3rd team.  No one is really going to get that detail, even as an insider (again, I don't like this term). Deals held up in contingencies are rarely leaked in full to avoid any possible tampering charges (see mess Philly almost got into over Harden).

Veteran contract extensions:

• Nikola Jokic (Nuggets Five years, maximum salary (story). Projected value of $272,020,000. Includes fifth-year player option and 15% trade kicker. Starts in 2023/24.
• Devin Booker (Suns Four years, maximum salary (story). Includes 10% trade kicker. Starts in 2024/25.
  • Note: Booker’s starting salary in 2024/25 will be 35% of the ’24/25 salary cap.
• Karl-Anthony Towns (Timberwolves Four years, maximum salary (story). Includes fourth-year player option. Starts in 2024/25.
  • Note: Towns’ starting salary in 2024/25 will be 35% of the ’24/25 salary cap.
• Andrew Wiggins (Warriors Four years, $109,000,002 (story). Includes fourth-year player option. Starts in 2023/24.
• Damian Lillard (Trail Blazers Two years, maximum salary (story). Worth at least $106,552,285 and as much as $121,774,039, depending on ’25/26 salary cap figure. Starts in 2025/26.
• LeBron James (Lakers Two years, maximum salary (story). Worth at least $97,133,373 and as much as $111,009,571, depending on ’23/24 salary cap figure. Includes second-year player option. Starts in 2023/24.
• Bogdan Bogdanovic (Hawks Four years, $68,000,000 (story). Includes fourth-year team option. Starts in 2023/24.
• CJ McCollum (Pelicans Two years, $64,000,000 (story). Starts in 2024/25.
• Nikola Vucevic (Bulls Three years, $60,000,000 (story). Starts in 2023/24.
• Harrison Barnes (Kings Three years, $54,000,000 (story). Starts in 2023/24. Includes 10% trade kicker.
• Naz Reid (Timberwolves Three years, $41,959,296 (story). Includes third-year player option. Starts in 2023/24.
• Myles Turner (Pacers Two years, $40,903,500 (story). Includes renegotiation ($17,096,500 added to 2022/23 salary; $58,000,000 in total new money). Includes $3MM in incentives. Extension starts in 2023/24.
• Bojan Bogdanovic (Pistons Two years, $39,032,850 (story). Second year partially guaranteed. Starts in 2023/24.
• Maxi Kleber (Mavericks Three years, $33,000,000 (story). Starts in 2023/24.
• Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (Nuggets Two years, $30,145,123 (story). Includes second-year player option. Starts in 2023/24.
• Pat Connaughton (Bucks Three years, $28,271,607 (story). Includes third-year player option. Starts in 2023/24.
• Kenrich Williams (Thunder Four years, $27,170,000 (story). Includes fourth-year team option. Starts in 2023/24.
• Steven Adams (Grizzlies Two years, $25,200,000 (story). Starts in 2023/24.
• Larry Nance Jr. (Pelicans Two years, $21,580,000 (story). Starts in 2023/24.
• Al Horford (Celtics Two years, $19,500,000 (story). Includes trade kicker (15% or $500K, whichever is lesser). Starts in 2023/24.
• Dean Wade (Cavaliers Three years, $18,500,000 (story). Third year partially guaranteed. Starts in 2023/24.
• John Konchar (Grizzlies Three years, $18,495,000 (story). Starts in 2024/25.
• Nick Richards (Hornets Three years, $15,000,000 (story). Third year non-guaranteed. Starts in 2023/24.

Moving KAT is very much alive in Minny but it is no small feat.  Few teams are taking on large salaries right now. They are all still feeling out the new CBA.

Edited July 16, 2023 by thecampster

[TheNorthCydeRises]

4 hours ago, theheroatl said:

I want Lillard in Miami - It will handicap them for years. They just like feeling wanted.

What team is currently handicapped because of excessive salary?

[thecampster]

2 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

What team is currently handicapped because of excessive salary?

Starting this year, every team above the 2nd apron.  Extremely complicates trading.

[TwolvesFan77]

Thanks for the great details @thecampster