2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[AHF]

50 minutes ago, GameTime said:

Speak for yourself. If we don't use this TPE for something it is a loss IMO. I for one thought Quin would find a way to increase JC's value this year.

I don't really see how you are disagreeing with me.  It seems like you are saying that trading JC for garbage was a bad idea and we just should have held him.  But that doesn't rebut my point that JC's trade value was low.  In fact, those two notions go very well together:  "If JC's trade value stunk that badly, we just should have held him" both agrees with me that we had to come to grips with how low his trade value had sunk and asserts a related but different point about whether we should have traded him.

I just don't see how anyone can disagree that his trade value was quite low when we let him go.  And that is a fact regardless of whether we make good use of the TPE or not.  (I.e., even if we sign LeBron 2.0 in that space that doesn't make JC's trade value any better it just makes the result of the TPE better.)

[GameTime]

13 minutes ago, AHF said:

I don't really see how you are disagreeing with me.  It seems like you are saying that trading JC for garbage was a bad idea and we just should have held him.  But that doesn't rebut my point that JC's trade value was low.  In fact, those two notions go very well together:  "If JC's trade value stunk that badly, we just should have held him" both agrees with me that we had to come to grips with how low his trade value had sunk and asserts a related but different point about whether we should have traded him.

I just don't see how anyone can disagree that his trade value was quite low when we let him go.  And that is a fact regardless of whether we make good use of the TPE or not.  (I.e., even if we sign LeBron 2.0 in that space that doesn't make JC's trade value any better it just makes the result of the TPE better.)

Yeah I agree with you. His value was at his lowest. And the only reason to trade him so early without Snyder  attempting to improve his value was if we were going to improve substantially and get a star. I'm with you AHF. I was just venting lol

Edited July 20, 2023 by GameTime

[Diesel]

10 hours ago, AHF said:

What really crushes his value is the fact that he will be an expiring contract after this season, that he will want a lot of money, and that he is giving no one any assurances he won't just walk in FA.  If he was under a non-max contract like JC and DH are, he would be drawing very significant offers.

Nah.. It's more than that..

If he was able to resign and willing to resign... his value is crushed because he's not worth the money that he is going to ask for.   This is why the Raptors want to unload him now in the first place.   It's Babcockish but they want to trade their stars while they still have max value. 

They know he's not worth the supermax.  He's not worth the max either.   But that's what he will get. 

  

I heard @JayBirdHawk saying something to the effect that Quin should be able to make him a winner.   If we have faith in Quin for that, we should have faith in him for our guys. 

[Sothron]

3 hours ago, Diesel said:

Nah.. It's more than that..

If he was able to resign and willing to resign... his value is crushed because he's not worth the money that he is going to ask for.   This is why the Raptors want to unload him now in the first place.   It's Babcockish but they want to trade their stars while they still have max value. 

They know he's not worth the supermax.  He's not worth the max either.   But that's what he will get. 

  

I heard @JayBirdHawk saying something to the effect that Quin should be able to make him a winner.   If we have faith in Quin for that, we should have faith in him for our guys. 

I have legit fit concerns with him. This idea you can just take guys that are good and throw them together and the sum is better than the parts just doesn't work. Siakam has no real ability to stretch a defense. DJM already lives in the mid range. Trae loves his middie as well. So does Siakam. That's simply too many guys in too little space. OO or Capela can't shoot so. Having two out of three front court guys that can't hit threes or stretch a defense is not going to work.

 

[Spud2nique]

51 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I have legit fit concerns with him. This idea you can just take guys that are good and throw them together and the sum is better than the parts just doesn't work. Siakam has no real ability to stretch a defense. DJM already lives in the mid range. Trae loves his middie as well. So does Siakam. That's simply too many guys in too little space. OO or Capela can't shoot so. Having two out of three front court guys that can't hit threes or stretch a defense is not going to work.

 

Some good points there Soth. Strong. Got me twisted. I love Siakam but not at the expense of OO and AJ and now you got me thinking all day middies in DJ and Siakam is redundant. Then again, a lot of players have lots of crossover as far as skillset on their respective teams. 

[Gray Mule]

Spud:  It's true.  Sothron has that unique talent of making one stop and think!  

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

stop

What’s that?  #gogogo #imagogogirl

[AHF]

10 hours ago, Diesel said:

Nah.. It's more than that..

If he was able to resign and willing to resign... his value is crushed because he's not worth the money that he is going to ask for.   This is why the Raptors want to unload him now in the first place.   It's Babcockish but they want to trade their stars while they still have max value. 

They know he's not worth the supermax.  He's not worth the max either.   But that's what he will get. 

  

I heard @JayBirdHawk saying something to the effect that Quin should be able to make him a winner.   If we have faith in Quin for that, we should have faith in him for our guys. 

That is point #2 in my post.  (The amount of money he will want.)

 

7 hours ago, Sothron said:

I have legit fit concerns with him. This idea you can just take guys that are good and throw them together and the sum is better than the parts just doesn't work. Siakam has no real ability to stretch a defense. DJM already lives in the mid range. Trae loves his middie as well. So does Siakam. That's simply too many guys in too little space. OO or Capela can't shoot so. Having two out of three front court guys that can't hit threes or stretch a defense is not going to work.

 

If you are trading for Siakam, Capela has to be in the deal, right?  I have concerns even then about fit and spacing as I've mentioned but I'm taking it as a given that Capela moves in any Siakam, KAT or other frontcourt trade.

[JayBirdHawk]

.......and so it continues!

 

 

[bleachkit]

Maybe the Hawks should look elsewhere. Toronto is known to be a difficult and/or reluctant trading partner. There has to be something else out there that could improve our team. 

[theheroatl]

 

LFG.... WE GOT OUR MAN

Edited July 21, 2023 by theheroatl

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

 

LFG.... WE GOT OUR MAN

Bold move. Very bold. 

[Peoriabird]

We gonna start 5 guards this season?

[theheroatl]

4 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Bold move. Very bold. 

It's gonna shock the markets and reset the NBA

[Wretch]

On 7/19/2023 at 11:49 AM, thecampster said:

I may need a bigger receipt drawer.

 

My receipt for the record.

I have almost zero interest in adding another starter with a some-timey 3pt shot, going into his 30s, on a rental that requires a max extension.  Cap and Hunter are too rich for my tastes on it.

I want KAT and/or a cold blooded sniper in the starting lineup.

I would only trade AJ in a blockbuster star package and to a lesser extent JJ...but we have to give to get.  So to me, everything is negotiable. Anybody can get it for the right price. 

Of all the young talent, OO is the bait I'd dangle. I'd be interested in seeing noteworthy offers out there for him.

[Hawkish]

7 minutes ago, Wretch said:

My receipt for the record.

I have almost zero interest in adding another starter with a some-timey 3pt shot, going into his 30s, on a rental that requires a max extension.  Cap and Hunter are too rich for my tastes on it.

I want KAT and/or a cold blooded sniper in the starting lineup.

I would only trade AJ in a blockbuster star package and to a lesser extent JJ...but we have to give to get.  So to me, everything is negotiable. Anybody can get it for the right price. 

Of all the young talent, OO is the bait I'd dangle. I'd be interested in seeing noteworthy offers out there for him.

I am curious how the NBA values OO.  Wonder what his extension demands are and how we’ve reciprocated…

[kg01]

28 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

We gonna start 5 guards this season?

Yes. 

[macdaddy]

35 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

We gonna start 5 guards this season?

Yeah what the hell.  I wanted Matthews back in the twenty teens.   We don't need him now.   More moves coming obviously.  But nothing like getting a 36 year old who just posted career lows in everything. 

[kg01]

3 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Yeah what the hell.  I wanted Matthews back in the twenty teens.   We don't need him now.   More moves coming obviously.  But nothing like getting a 36 year old who just posted career lows in everything. 

"Just means I got em right where I want em, moddaddy." - W. Matthews 

[bleachkit]

17 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Yeah what the hell.  I wanted Matthews back in the twenty teens.   We don't need him now.   More moves coming obviously.  But nothing like getting a 36 year old who just posted career lows in everything. 

This is where a poster lectures you about the importance of strong veteran leadership in the locker room, even if they don't contribute on the court in any meaningful way.