Moderators AHF Posted July 20, 2023 Author Moderators Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 50 minutes ago, GameTime said: Speak for yourself. If we don't use this TPE for something it is a loss IMO. I for one thought Quin would find a way to increase JC's value this year. I don't really see how you are disagreeing with me. It seems like you are saying that trading JC for garbage was a bad idea and we just should have held him. But that doesn't rebut my point that JC's trade value was low. In fact, those two notions go very well together: "If JC's trade value stunk that badly, we just should have held him" both agrees with me that we had to come to grips with how low his trade value had sunk and asserts a related but different point about whether we should have traded him. I just don't see how anyone can disagree that his trade value was quite low when we let him go. And that is a fact regardless of whether we make good use of the TPE or not. (I.e., even if we sign LeBron 2.0 in that space that doesn't make JC's trade value any better it just makes the result of the TPE better.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameTime Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AHF said: I don't really see how you are disagreeing with me. It seems like you are saying that trading JC for garbage was a bad idea and we just should have held him. But that doesn't rebut my point that JC's trade value was low. In fact, those two notions go very well together: "If JC's trade value stunk that badly, we just should have held him" both agrees with me that we had to come to grips with how low his trade value had sunk and asserts a related but different point about whether we should have traded him. I just don't see how anyone can disagree that his trade value was quite low when we let him go. And that is a fact regardless of whether we make good use of the TPE or not. (I.e., even if we sign LeBron 2.0 in that space that doesn't make JC's trade value any better it just makes the result of the TPE better.) Yeah I agree with you. His value was at his lowest. And the only reason to trade him so early without Snyder attempting to improve his value was if we were going to improve substantially and get a star. I'm with you AHF. I was just venting lol Edited July 20, 2023 by GameTime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 10 hours ago, AHF said: What really crushes his value is the fact that he will be an expiring contract after this season, that he will want a lot of money, and that he is giving no one any assurances he won't just walk in FA. If he was under a non-max contract like JC and DH are, he would be drawing very significant offers. Nah.. It's more than that.. If he was able to resign and willing to resign... his value is crushed because he's not worth the money that he is going to ask for. This is why the Raptors want to unload him now in the first place. It's Babcockish but they want to trade their stars while they still have max value. They know he's not worth the supermax. He's not worth the max either. But that's what he will get. I heard @JayBirdHawk saying something to the effect that Quin should be able to make him a winner. If we have faith in Quin for that, we should have faith in him for our guys. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Sothron Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Diesel said: Nah.. It's more than that.. If he was able to resign and willing to resign... his value is crushed because he's not worth the money that he is going to ask for. This is why the Raptors want to unload him now in the first place. It's Babcockish but they want to trade their stars while they still have max value. They know he's not worth the supermax. He's not worth the max either. But that's what he will get. I heard @JayBirdHawk saying something to the effect that Quin should be able to make him a winner. If we have faith in Quin for that, we should have faith in him for our guys. I have legit fit concerns with him. This idea you can just take guys that are good and throw them together and the sum is better than the parts just doesn't work. Siakam has no real ability to stretch a defense. DJM already lives in the mid range. Trae loves his middie as well. So does Siakam. That's simply too many guys in too little space. OO or Capela can't shoot so. Having two out of three front court guys that can't hit threes or stretch a defense is not going to work. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spud2nique Posted July 21, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, Sothron said: I have legit fit concerns with him. This idea you can just take guys that are good and throw them together and the sum is better than the parts just doesn't work. Siakam has no real ability to stretch a defense. DJM already lives in the mid range. Trae loves his middie as well. So does Siakam. That's simply too many guys in too little space. OO or Capela can't shoot so. Having two out of three front court guys that can't hit threes or stretch a defense is not going to work. Some good points there Soth. Strong. Got me twisted. I love Siakam but not at the expense of OO and AJ and now you got me thinking all day middies in DJ and Siakam is redundant. Then again, a lot of players have lots of crossover as far as skillset on their respective teams. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 Spud: It's true. Sothron has that unique talent of making one stop and think! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Gray Mule said: stop What’s that? #gogogo #imagogogirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted July 21, 2023 Author Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Diesel said: Nah.. It's more than that.. If he was able to resign and willing to resign... his value is crushed because he's not worth the money that he is going to ask for. This is why the Raptors want to unload him now in the first place. It's Babcockish but they want to trade their stars while they still have max value. They know he's not worth the supermax. He's not worth the max either. But that's what he will get. I heard @JayBirdHawk saying something to the effect that Quin should be able to make him a winner. If we have faith in Quin for that, we should have faith in him for our guys. That is point #2 in my post. (The amount of money he will want.) 7 hours ago, Sothron said: I have legit fit concerns with him. This idea you can just take guys that are good and throw them together and the sum is better than the parts just doesn't work. Siakam has no real ability to stretch a defense. DJM already lives in the mid range. Trae loves his middie as well. So does Siakam. That's simply too many guys in too little space. OO or Capela can't shoot so. Having two out of three front court guys that can't hit threes or stretch a defense is not going to work. If you are trading for Siakam, Capela has to be in the deal, right? I have concerns even then about fit and spacing as I've mentioned but I'm taking it as a given that Capela moves in any Siakam, KAT or other frontcourt trade. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 .......and so it continues! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bleachkit Posted July 21, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 Maybe the Hawks should look elsewhere. Toronto is known to be a difficult and/or reluctant trading partner. There has to be something else out there that could improve our team. 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theheroatl Posted July 21, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) LFG.... WE GOT OUR MAN Edited July 21, 2023 by theheroatl 4 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bleachkit Posted July 21, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, theheroatl said: LFG.... WE GOT OUR MAN Bold move. Very bold. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 We gonna start 5 guards this season? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Bold move. Very bold. It's gonna shock the markets and reset the NBA 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/19/2023 at 11:49 AM, thecampster said: I may need a bigger receipt drawer. My receipt for the record. I have almost zero interest in adding another starter with a some-timey 3pt shot, going into his 30s, on a rental that requires a max extension. Cap and Hunter are too rich for my tastes on it. I want KAT and/or a cold blooded sniper in the starting lineup. I would only trade AJ in a blockbuster star package and to a lesser extent JJ...but we have to give to get. So to me, everything is negotiable. Anybody can get it for the right price. Of all the young talent, OO is the bait I'd dangle. I'd be interested in seeing noteworthy offers out there for him. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkish Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wretch said: My receipt for the record. I have almost zero interest in adding another starter with a some-timey 3pt shot, going into his 30s, on a rental that requires a max extension. Cap and Hunter are too rich for my tastes on it. I want KAT and/or a cold blooded sniper in the starting lineup. I would only trade AJ in a blockbuster star package and to a lesser extent JJ...but we have to give to get. So to me, everything is negotiable. Anybody can get it for the right price. Of all the young talent, OO is the bait I'd dangle. I'd be interested in seeing noteworthy offers out there for him. I am curious how the NBA values OO. Wonder what his extension demands are and how we’ve reciprocated… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: We gonna start 5 guards this season? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted July 21, 2023 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: We gonna start 5 guards this season? Yeah what the hell. I wanted Matthews back in the twenty teens. We don't need him now. More moves coming obviously. But nothing like getting a 36 year old who just posted career lows in everything. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Yeah what the hell. I wanted Matthews back in the twenty teens. We don't need him now. More moves coming obviously. But nothing like getting a 36 year old who just posted career lows in everything. "Just means I got em right where I want em, moddaddy." - W. Matthews 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Yeah what the hell. I wanted Matthews back in the twenty teens. We don't need him now. More moves coming obviously. But nothing like getting a 36 year old who just posted career lows in everything. This is where a poster lectures you about the importance of strong veteran leadership in the locker room, even if they don't contribute on the court in any meaningful way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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