Hawks looking to trade

[macdaddy]

I'd trade Trae to Spurs if Pop, Kerr, Hill quit their positions with USA basketball.  Oh and we get 10 first round picks.  Oh they take Grant Hill too as an owner.

 

[JeffS17]

3 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Murray, in the grand scheme of things, isn't the biggest issue on this team.  It's our frontcourt.  And I will continue to say that.

And how do you improve the front court? Have to trade Murray.

 

The Raptors got it right just now.  Do you think OG was their problem? Absolutely not, but you have to trade value to get value back.  And now they have their PG for the future…

 

There are no front court upgrades by trading mid talent on expensive contracts.  DJ is the only valuable trade piece we have which is why this move will likely dictate our future, and as many have said, the stakes are quite high in our current predicament 

[Packfill]

7 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

They needed to do more than what they did.

Murray, in the grand scheme of things, isn't the biggest issue on this team.  It's our frontcourt.  And I will continue to say that.

If we can't toss a lob to Clint, he's not scoring unless he's getting an offensive rebound.  And even then, he's rebounding his OWN miss, to get that rebound.

Quin refused to go ahead and start OO instead of Capela, which has possibly limited OO's development.

Quin also didn't even have the foresight to start JJ in the lineup, until it became obvious that JJ was head and shoulders a better player than Bey.

And speaking of Bey, if he can't make open shots, his value plummets tremendously, despite the 2 or 3 hustle plays he makes in a game.

Our only above average frontcourt piece right now, is JJ.

I think if there is one thing Quinn got right it was giving playing time to JJ.  Nate did not give JJ any playing time, but as soon as Quinn arrived JJ entered the rotation and those minutes he got last season have benefitted him now. 

That said, it is hard to understand why the player development is so uneven - OO and AJ have both seemingly regressed and none of this years draft picks are ready to play.  

My expectations for any 2024 draft picks (not even taking into account the fact that this is supposed to be a weak draft) making an impact next season are very, very low.

[Atlantaholic]

At what point do we admit Quin has been nothing short of a disaster. This is the same team that was playing much better last year minus Collins.

[shakes]

From the Athletic's power rankings today..

 

We’ve seen the Hawks randomly turn a season around in the middle of it before, so we can’t completely write them off from making the playoffs. However, turning it around to get to 43 wins and hit the over seems highly unlikely. This team just isn’t serious about doing the right things to win games. There is so much talent on this team. They have a good coach. They still can’t do what it takes to take down non-losing teams. The Hawks need a complete overhaul because this approach is broken.

[Gray Mule]

As stated above, I'm one of those older Hawk fans here on the Squawk and I would love to see this Hawk team do a lot better than it's doing right now.  

HAWKS LOOKING TO TRADE

I suppose we will continue to see this and have many, many pages of "what if" ideas about who might or might not get traded.  It's almost a month until the trade deadline.  If Atlanta holds out, hoping for a better offer and we get it, then will we really be happy?  If we hold out and one of the key pieces gets a bad injury, this means "no deal" and then we can discuss what might have been.

Timing is everything.  Should we do this today?  Or, will a better deal suddenly appear tomorrow?  What if we don't do that good deal and someone else swoops in and takes the player we were offered?  I'm glad I'm not the one having to make these decisions.  You can bet your sweet patooty that, whatever trade happens, some posters will be happy with the deal and some will be mad because they really don't like the deal.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 minute ago, JeffS17 said:

And how do you improve the front court? Have to trade Murray.

 

The Raptors got it right just now.  Do you think OG was their problem? Absolutely not, but you have to trade value to get value back.  And now they have their PG for the future…

 

There are no front court upgrades by trading mid talent on expensive contracts.  DJ is the only valuable trade piece we have which is why this move will likely dictate our future, and as many have said, the stakes are quite high in our current predicament 

 

Which is why I say the best play we can make, is to trade for Siakam and roll the dice with him.  If he works out, you now have a chance to throw a significant contract at him that he may or may not refuse, to keep a core of Trae - JJ - Siakam here for at least the next 2 seasons.

If he doesn't work out, he either walks for nothing or gives us a TPE in a sign and trade.  Either way, you now have the opportunity to free up some cap space to go get players on the free agent market.

 

 

This also may mean that you'd have to trade a current high paying rotational player for expiring contracts that can still give you "some" value.

If they don't go the Siakam route, another way they can do this, would be to flip 12 for Batum and Covington.   That potentially makes Philly stronger offensively, while also giving us 2 guys as defensive wings that expire at the end of the season. 

You evaluate those two guys and make a determination if you should re-sign them, or let them fall off the books.  But the big thing is that you can potentially get 20 mill off the books if you wanted to use that spot to get a better fitting player than Batum and Covington.

 

 

The same thing goes for Capela.  If the Nets want Murray, maybe you toss Capela in the deal as well.  But the big thing the Hawks should do, is to try to remain as flexible as possible, while still trading for pieces that can be part of a future rotation.

 

 

People forget that the 60 win Hawks were not built through great draft picks.  They were built by making very good moves to bring in role players that fit.

• Millsap
• Korver
• Carroll
• Thabo
• Baze

The only Hawks draft picks that were part of that core, were Horford, Teague, and Schröder.  Add Mike Scott to that mix as well.

 

If the Hawks aren't going to trade for an All-Star caliber player, they need cap flexibility in order to quickly flip this roster and get better fitting pieces around Trae and JJ.  And hopefully we hit on Bufkin, who can become a rotational player before the start of next season.

Speaking of him, he would be playing RIGHT NOW ahead of Forrest.  Unless Quin believes Forrest has some sort of upside, Kobe should be getting some of these spot minutes.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

20 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

At what point do we admit Quin has been nothing short of a disaster. This is the same team that was playing much better last year minus Collins.

He's definitely getting a pass from most in the fan base.  But those rumblings are really starting to come to the surface.

The front office may have to take away some of his toys ( Bogi, 12, Bey ), in order to see what he can really do as a coach.

Can't just rely on shooters to bail you out.  AT some point, you have to show that you're an all-around good to great coach that can make adjustments and correct bad habits of the team.

[AHF]

1 hour ago, Atlantaholic said:

But we don't have assets of any real value is the problem. No one is giving us upgrades for our disappointing players. At least in the draft we have a shot in hell at getting something. If we get picks at least we can bundle them together. Adding Vicuvik or Valenciunas isn't moving the needle, and that's as good of a player as we can hope for. 

Dejounte Murray is an asset of real value.

Hoping we get lucky with the #23 pick in the draft is just a way of telling Trae he needs to start looking for a new team.  How could his reaction be anything other than this?

 

[AHF]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Trading Murray for draft picks is going to turn out to be a disaster, because those draft picks aren't going to turn into lottery players.  They're going to turn into more mediocre talent.  So if you don't IMMEDIATELY have a plan to flip those draft picks to bring in more significant players, we're dead in the water.

Thank you.  100%.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

And how do you improve the front court?

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[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Trading Murray for draft picks is going to turn out to be a disaster, because those draft picks aren't going to turn into lottery players.  They're going to turn into more mediocre talent.  So if you don't IMMEDIATELY have a plan to flip those draft picks to bring in more significant players, we're dead in the water.

Like I said, there has to be a plan beyond saying 'we recouped the picks' or they've really failed.

[warcore]

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Like I said, there has to be a plan beyond saying 'we recouped the picks' or they've really failed.

You see, Tony? This is why you should have let your GM be the GM. I hope this fool has at least learned a lesson and has admitted he was wrong. 

[macdaddy]

Just now, warcore said:

You see, Tony? This is why you should have let your GM be the GM. I hope this fool has at least learned a lesson and has admitted he was wrong. 

We said that when he 'personally' took over the Milsap trade talks and said over his dead body and then let him walk for nothing.  

[marco102]

Man, reading through this thread today has been an experience to say the least.  We do have assets, although middling.

Two draft picks this year.  The pick swap in 2026 with San Antonio doesn't bother me too much either.  It's not the end of the world.  We can make some trades to get some first round picks for 2025 and 2026 potentially. They won't be unprotected like our front office did, but first round picks are much more valuable with the new CBA. 

I honestly don't know how to fix this team.  If the Hawks could some how get a competent big on both ends in one of these trades, that'll go along way with helping them.   Also need some defensive talent in every position.

[Bonzaii58]

I don’t think Murray is our biggest problem. But if we need to trade him to get Trae help - then so be it. But trading him for draft picks is not going to help us win now and it’s certainly not going to help us keep Trae here and happy. I’d love for a trade with the Nets (bring in Claxton and another defender). 

As much as I’m over the whole Saikam debacle, I’d be okay with rolling the dice on him. I just wouldn’t give up Murray but they can have Hunter and Capela. 

It’s super frustrating that we don’t seem to draft well.. Hunter was #4 overall pick!

He has not lived up to expectations, unfortunately. That is also hurting us badly right now. It’s time to move on from Hunter imo. 

Edited January 16 by Bonzaii58

[Sothron]

6 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Man, reading through this thread today has been an experience to say the least.  We do have assets, although middling.

Two draft picks this year.  The pick swap in 2026 with San Antonio doesn't bother me too much either.  It's not the end of the world.  We can make some trades to get some first round picks for 2025 and 2026 potentially. They won't be unprotected like our front office did, but first round picks are much more valuable with the new CBA. 

I honestly don't know how to fix this team.  If the Hawks could some how get a competent big on both ends in one of these trades, that'll go along way with helping them.   Also need some defensive talent in every position.

Trading Murray for KAT would have solved issues for both teams but that would have to wait until the offseason. Team is more interested I think in moving DJM now than later. I do think the idea is tank the rest of this season because we have a window for it and then use assets to upgrade the roster in the offseason.

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Trading Murray for KAT would have solved issues for both teams but that would have to wait until the offseason. Team is more interested I think in moving DJM now than later. I do think the idea is tank the rest of this season because we have a window for it and then use assets to upgrade the roster in the offseason.

That would be ideal, if you ask me. 

[warcore]

12 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

We said that when he 'personally' took over the Milsap trade talks and said over his dead body and then let him walk for nothing.  

I've also seen a Mark Cuban interview (or maybe it was a short) in which he talks about the Trae/Luka trade. From his perspective, he said he called the owner (Tony) directly and convinced him "hey comon' we know you want Trae and we want Luka and we'll give you a pick". 

The way he puts it, Tony went behind Travis in that situation as well. But who knows -- that's just one side of the story. 

[theheroatl]

Are we gonna see some real media agg nonsense until Feb 15th? NBA GMs don’t be serious until last hour of deadline

Edited January 16 by theheroatl