Hawks looking to trade

[Jody23]

No matter what happens, it's good to see them still supportive of each other.

[JeffS17]

38 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

No matter what happens, it's good to see them still supportive of each other.

Dang, very good vibes last night!

[GThawks3]

9 hours ago, Wretch said:

Grimes and filler.

For a 2nd maybe 

[JayBirdHawk]

4 hours ago, JTB said:

 

i have to agree with most on this board that Murray should not just be given away. I don’t think his value is being taken seriously in these trade offers.

That's on the FO.....they didn't control the narrative. When you hear:

- We don't want salary back

- We are looking to clear the books 

- Only two untouchables

- We are looking to attach 'bad salary'  to - DJ to clear the books

- Recoup picks given up in SAS trade

.......And on an on.  These are all on the negative side.  These are the kind of offers you get since it comes off as desperate. That it's more about money and mistakes, rather than talent.

[Bonzaii58]

1 hour ago, Jody23 said:

No matter what happens, it's good to see them still supportive of each other.

Love the energy. Kudos to Murray for playing so well with all the trade noise going on. It has to be tough for him to hear all of that and still remain locked in for the team. 

[LucastheThird]

1 hour ago, dalamchops said:

why r ppl so suddenly enamored w/ what djm's done the last 2 games? We've had 1.5yr to evaluate his fit. If anything I am hoping the last 2 games pushes his value up so some team will give us a better deal than what we've been offered.

Nobody is saying he suddenly fits and to not trade him. We are only saying that the proposed trades do not give us back adequate value for his skills. We would rather pull him off the market and see what the team can do the last half of the season before we just give him away. Revisit trading him in the offseason when other teams know they will need a PG for their roster. 

[bleachkit]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

That's on the FO.....they didn't control the narrative. When you hear:

- We don't want salary back

- We are looking to clear the books 

- Only two untouchables

- We are looking to attach 'bad salary'  to - DJ to clear the books

- Recoup picks given up in SAS trade

.......And on an on.  These are all on the negative side.  These are the kind of offers you get since it comes off as desperate. That it's more about money and mistakes, rather than talent.

Clearly Murray is a good player. There are very few high level players available on the market. If we settle for a ho-hum deal then all hope is lost. Landry and Kyle need to realize this is an inflection point and their career is on the line. Would Danny Ainge or Sam Presti accept a mediocre deal right now? They sure as hell wouldn't.

[Bonzaii58]

Here’s my prediction. And I HOPE I am wrong. But it’s our FO so

1. We trade DJ for two firsts and some mid player who is not a star. 
 

2. Trae makes all star this year. He is playing incredible this year. Kudos to him. 
 

3. We make play in and lose. Rumors swirl again that Trae may ask out if we don’t get a star to pair with him. 

3. FO goes all in on this idea that we can get KAT or go and find a superstar to play with Trae in the off-season. 
 
4. Because we are the hawks teams lowball when we make offers. We push hard for KAT or another star but some other team swoops in to get him somehow and then Trae asks out eventually. 
 

5. We retool or whatever with Bufkin and Jalen and Snyder at the helm. 
 

I don’t want this to happen. But it feels inevitable, given our fortunate. Needless to say, we need to figure it out with Trae / Murray combo. 

Edited January 20 by Bonzaii58

[SalvorMallow]

20 hours ago, Mikey said:

Well i was skimming. theres like 100s of comments its tough to go through all and everybody types a different way. Ignore my comment supes you are correct! AHF post i read and I understand what he saying but he also is shaping it as if its a worst case scenario. He started off with mentioning if we do something trae will ask out (and so what if he does). Let him ask out and then they can really do what Quin wants which is a tear down.

Im sorry but this is BS. There's no way Quin signed with the Hawks to coach through a rebuild.

[ShooterSays]

Kobe’s back! If Trae is out again…we might actually see him tonight. 

[Vol4ever]

5 hours ago, JTB said:

Insiders @Sothron @Mikey @NBASupes @Vol4ever @thecampster

 

Does these strong back to back performances from Murray change the front office initial plans to trade Murray?

do they hold off for a bigger potential deal this offseason?….

 

i have to agree with most on this board that Murray should not just be given away. I don’t think his value is being taken seriously in these trade offers.

That I don't know.  They started out wanting to get a player to compete for the playoffs.  The found that Hunter and capela really wasn't gonna get anything in return.  Then they starting losing games and fell back.  All the sudden they have won a couple games after that meltdown at home with Washington.  I don't think it changes strategy but the price to get Murray has gotten higher.   

[NBASupes]

6 hours ago, JTB said:

Insiders @Sothron @Mikey @NBASupes @Vol4ever @thecampster

 

Does these strong back to back performances from Murray change the front office initial plans to trade Murray?

do they hold off for a bigger potential deal this offseason?….

 

i have to agree with most on this board that Murray should not just be given away. I don’t think his value is being taken seriously in these trade offers.

I don't have any new updates on Atlanta right now. The latest I have is they want another star to play with Trae and JJ that fits those two players. That was what I got last week. Nothing new this week. It seems like rumors galore on the internet but in real life, the Hawks aren't even being mentioned by other teams like that to the NBA circles. Right now, the hot teams are Knicks, Nets, Raptors, and Heat. The Lakers and Pistons are lukewarm right now. They are in rumors but other teams aren't fans of their packages. 

And Murray isn't the hot name. The hot names are Bruce Brown and Dorian Finney-Smith. Guys like Murray, Grant in POR, and Mikal Bridges are HOT names but their teams want a lot for then and are less willing to trade them than other pieces. Murray is the only one that was openly shopped but the issue is, now, it's dragging down the team. This is on Tony. He wants everyone to know so he can seek the best package but that's not how it's going. If anything, we have been low balled so far. 

I'll say this like I said last year. I don't see any moves happening until teams get serious with offers. We want a 1st for Clint and an expiring contract. It seems like they want similar for Dre but a higher end draft pick. they have gotten further with Clint than Dre so far even if there is more demand for Dre. 

Bey is the one player I think will be moved. Teams really want him still and while most see him as a MLE guy, they want him bad. He's the one that could get Atlanta a 1st right now but Atlanta been very reluctant with Bey. Very reluctant. Same with Bogi but even more reluctant. 

Atlanta has no interest in a Trae trade and Sothron confirmed this months ago but they see JJ the same way. 

They have been heavy in the buyers market for better fitting role players off the bench but the cost is sky high in general. Washington is asking for a late 1st for Delon Wright, lmao. Chicago asking for two 1sts for Caruso. So role players are sky high in price. 

That said, my frustration is the Murray rumors. I want Landry to either pull him off the market or say I want something like an elite prospect for Murray like Siakam. Make it clear to Hawks supporters, you value Murray. You are getting clobbered in the media for being a dumbass, why do that to yourself. You already are in a bad place with Hawks fans due to the Spurs trade even if you wasn't at compete fault. Don't make your fanbase hate you. 

[JayBirdHawk]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Murray is the only one that was openly shopped but the issue is, now, it's dragging down the team. This is on Tony. He wants everyone to know so he can seek the best package but that's not how it's going. If anything, we have been low balled so far. 

What's the Tony angle?

Is he circumventing the FO? Is he talking to other owners/FOs, etc.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[kg01]

I'd take PJ Washington, give them Bey. 

[NBASupes]

10 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

What's the Tony angle?

Is he circumventing the FO? Is he talking to other owners/FOs, etc.

He heard inking within the ownership circle that Trae was going to ask out and wanted to make it clear we are willing to do whatever it takes to keep him. It just didn't work out the way be hoped. 

He's way too Trae centric. That's why we do 99% of the dumb shit we do.

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Rozier has suitors but CHA getting low balled

P.J. been available but they want a 1st for him and haven't gotten it yet. 

Bridges can pick where he wants to go. Makes it difficult. Watch for Detroit.

Teams see Hayward as a buyout target. He could be had for little to nothing but it's unlikely as teams are low balling CHA. 

CHA been getting low balled like us. Most sellers are getting low balled right now. 

I was told that teams are getting serious with TOR about Bruce Brown. 

[kg01]

12 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He heard inking within the ownership circle that Trae was going to ask out and wanted to make it clear we are willing to do whatever it takes to keep him. It just didn't work out the way be hoped. 

He's way too Trae centric. That's why we do 99% of the dumb shit we do.

You've gone from saying Trae asked out, to saying he didn't.  Then he was gonna ask out, but didn't.  Now you're saying he heard he was gonna ask out.

I'll just wait for when you admit that didn't happen either. 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

You've gone from saying Trae asked out, to saying he didn't.  Then he was gonna ask out, but didn't.  Now you're saying he heard he was gonna ask out.

I'll just wait for when you admit that didn't happen either. 

I never said Trae asked out ever. 

[JTB]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You've gone from saying Trae asked out, to saying he didn't.  Then he was gonna ask out, but didn't.  Now you're saying he heard he was gonna ask out.

I'll just wait for when you admit that didn't happen either. 

Supes only predicted it.