Donovan Clingan or Alexander Sarr: Battle of 1st overall pick

[warcore]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I'll rather trade the pick 

you have no pick to trade if you're in the process of being eliminated from the playoffs.  Sounds like you prefer being on the treadmill than planning for a title. 

"Draft Clingan so we will at least be in the playoffs next year"

That means nothing to a lot of us. 

[NBASupes]

18 minutes ago, warcore said:

you have no pick to trade if you're in the process of being eliminated from the playoffs.  Sounds like you prefer being on the treadmill than planning for a title. 

"Draft Clingan so we will at least be in the playoffs next year"

That means nothing to a lot of us. 

I'll rather tank honestly if we can't be a constant winner. 

[Jody23]

Imo, the Hawks should be looking to make changes that will help them win next year as they don’t own/control their first round picks for the next three years.  However, the 2024 pick should be about getting the best player longterm, not next season.  Rookies don’t typically drive winning at a high level anyway.

[Jody23]

For a guy who's 7'1, that handle and fluidity look like a solid foundation to work for his offense imo.

[Hawkish]

36 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

For a guy who's 7'1, that handle and fluidity look like a solid foundation to work for his offense imo.

He does move awfully well for a 7-footer.  
 

How is his work ethic? Grit?

Any evidence of his competitiveness/desire to win? 

How respectable of a shooter can he reasonably become?  Didn’t Kawhi improve rather drastically once in the NBA?

How can his body/frame change to improve explosiveness but not compromise agility and speed? 

[Hawkmoor]

1 hour ago, Jody23 said:

For a guy who's 7'1, that handle and fluidity look like a solid foundation to work for his offense imo.

He doesn't move or look like a 7 footer.  More like a wing player.  There should be zero debate as to what the Hawks should do with the first pick of this draft.

[terrell]

DJ is probably a goner So........

Murray to Pelicans for Jones or Murphy and Dyson Daniels...

Trae/Daniels/Jones/JJ/Sarr or Clingan

Bufkin/Bogi/Dre/Gueye/OO

Trade Capela for more depth...

[TRW]

Draft Sarr and send him to work with Hakeem immediately.

[Final_quest]

9 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

We are a walking histrionic personality disorder around here.  

[Dejay]

28 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

We are a walking histrionic personality disorder around here.  

And you're surprised by what exactly? All of us have some sort of issue to be fans of this franchise for so long...

[theheroatl]

29 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

We are a walking histrionic personality disorder around here.  

Pretty sure that was supes on CBS pushing Edey

[Final_quest]

1 hour ago, Dejay said:

And you're surprised by what exactly? All of us have some sort of issue to be fans of this franchise for so long...

This franchise is always a personality disorder, but these past couple years have been a sinister brand of rising and falling actions.  Like if you're child became a celebrity and a few months later started a phase of multiple rehabs while still pursuing their next big acting job.  

[JustSomeGuy]

10 hours ago, Jody23 said:

For a guy who's 7'1, that handle and fluidity look like a solid foundation to work for his offense imo.

I’m sold. Plus I heard Clingan is already had foot/injury issues?

[JustSomeGuy]

SN: taking some time to look at a few more draft prospects and while there may not be a clear cut superstar, I think there are a lot of players who would thrive with a guy like Trae who would take the pressure off of them to be immediate shot creators. There also aren’t many high end, ready made, college stars, like Edwards a couple years ago who you are comfortable projecting. That said the league is trending back toward big men 

The strength of this draft are the big men, (arguably our greatest need). I’d let them battle in our in workouts to see who comes out on top. 

Sarr is a potential do it all big. Switchable POA defender who profiles as the next great stretch 5. Big question make for me is his motor and work ethic. But the kid has tools in spades so if he has the desire to be the best, I would feel comfortable projecting him closer to his ceiling. 

Clingan/Edey have already been discussed as paint protectors, low post scorers. Steady guys, may not be anything special but high floor players as well. 

Behind them is a group of guys like Sheppard,Holland and Castle (dog POA defenders who scare the shit out of you if their game doesn’t round out a la Michael Kidd Gilcrest) and shooters like Knecht/ Risacher (who looks like a Peja Stojakovic clone to me) who I’d really like lower in the top ten. 

That said, the league is tending back towards big men (Embiid, Jokic, Wemby, JJJ, KAT, Gobert, etc) so if you can get a guy to battle with them, you take him in my mind. The good news is our FO was ahead of the curve on Giannis a few years ago and we have a decent track record on finding mid round gems so let’s hope that translates.

 

 

Edited May 13 by JustSomeGuy

[Final_quest]

26 minutes ago, JustSomeGuy said:

I’m sold. Plus I heard Clingan is already had foot/injury issues?

For now I believe our FO will select him, and I'm sold that he's the right pick.  Waiting for actual news to contradict that is our direction.

[txsting]

20 hours ago, txsting said:

First thought is Clingan is more ready and proven.  These euros scare me

My second thought after more reflection is that Sarr is too much of a unicorn and is too valuable to pass on.  Defensive minded, paint-bound bigs can always be found, they aren't as rare as Sarr.  Even though Sarr could well bust, i don't see how the Hawks can do anything else.  Clingan is safe and a known good, but he's probably not going to be better than say Valunciunas.  Sarr has potential to be significantly more.

[marco102]

I'm glad the NBA is making all players get measured.  Also good to see that he's up to 224 pounds.

Let the shoes no shoes debate begin...lol

Edited May 13 by marco102

[marco102]

 

Edited May 13 by marco102

[hawkman]

27 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I'm glad the NBA is making all players get measured.  Also good to see that he's up to 224 pounds.

Let the shoes no shoes debate begin...lol

Being a fluid run/jump athlete at 7ft without shoes puts him in unicorn territory. I've seen the shooting touch in the Combine vids, but I was more impressed with his play against the G League Ignite. He was featured during those two games and looked like the best player on the floor on both ends. I think people are turned off by his paltry stats with Perth, but he was only playing 17-18 minutes a game. Extrapolate those stats out to per 36 minutes and you have a better idea of how he was competing against grown men at 18 years old. I'm sold on him. 

[AtLaS]

Sarr by a mile.  It's not close to me.  He has top 5 superstar potential.  7 footer without shoes AND a 37" vert?  And has handles and is already shooting well in warmups, if he works hard he is going to dominate.

Clingan just doesn't have that potential.  And he can't shoot.  He's a 50% FT shooter, which means he can't play in crunchtime or he is going to severely limit us in crunchtime.  I just don't want to deal with that.  

Sarr has the potential to be Bam-like defending PNR's, and can also protect the paint, and also switch, etc.  It's just a no brainer to me.  

I think after this combine he is going to clearly solidify himself as the #1.

Edited May 13 by AtLaS