thecampster Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 28 minutes ago, AHF said: I think Dallas matches a $12M starting salary on a new contract with a huge grin on their face. They expect to pay more than $12M for him. Maybe but that limits them this year as they hold the option on Dirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flight Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I think Nerlens may be one of the few players I'd be ok with seeing us Max, given his age and potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted July 5, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Flight said: I think Nerlens may be one of the few players I'd be ok with seeing us Max, given his age and potential and his injury history, his maturity issues, his limited offensive game. He is not remotely worth a max contract. He is more hype then anything ... I think he is a good player but not a great player. Good players do not deserve a max contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 5, 2017 Moderators Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 The Theo Ratliff comparison is pretty good so far in his young career. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBac Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 24 minutes ago, thecampster said: Maybe but that limits them this year as they hold the option on Dirk. Think Dallas is pretty committed to building around Dennis Smith Jr, Harrison Barnes, and Nerlens Noel long term. I don't think they'd let Dirk's last year(s) hold them back from securing their future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 5, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, capstone21 said: and his injury history, his maturity issues, his limited offensive game. He is not remotely worth a max contract. He is more hype then anything ... I think he is a good player but not a great player. Good players do not deserve a max contract. You do realize that just being considered above average starter is now grounds for max contracts? The idea of what a max player should be is like from 2007. No one is going to get Noel on less than whatever a RFA at his age/service can get on a full max deal. And even then Dallas will match it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted July 5, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, Sothron said: You do realize that just being considered above average starter is now grounds for max contracts? The idea of what a max player should be is like from 2007. No one is going to get Noel on less than whatever a RFA at his age/service can get on a full max deal. And even then Dallas will match it. I don't think we use up a bunch of cap space on limited player like Noel. I like his D but I don't like the rest of his game or his injury history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolvetigers Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sothron said: Sign him to the max deal. Dallas is going to match but at least we force them to use up the cap space. Great! And what do we get for Dallas's cap space? Edited July 5, 2017 by wolvetigers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted July 5, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 hour ago, capstone21 said: I think he is a good player but not a great player Not many 23 year olds are great players. But some become great players. Figuring out who will be one and who won't be one is what separates paid scouts from unemployed scouts, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Do we even have enough space to make an offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted July 5, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Personally haven't studied it, but it's been said by generally reliable souls that we need to move the Crawford contract for some room, or do something to resolve the Hardaway cap hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 6 hours ago, AHF said: I think Dallas matches a $12M starting salary on a new contract with a huge grin on their face. They expect to pay more than $12M for him. Well, the market for restricted free agents is lower than for "free agents" because an offer to an RFA ties up money from the offering team during the match period. Very typically lower offers for RFA's. 5 hours ago, AHF said: The Theo Ratliff comparison is pretty good so far in his young career. That's a really good comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 2 hours ago, sturt said: Personally haven't studied it, but it's been said by generally reliable souls that we need to move the Crawford contract for some room, or do something to resolve the Hardaway cap hold. Again....Hardaway's cap hold is negligible right now. The second someone signs him, that amount is added to our cap until we either A) sign him (and thereby becomes his new number) or B) we don't match at which point his current hold is released. The hold is effectively the amount we extended in the qualifying offer as I understand it....the language is a bit confusing as its either or and I believe in his case its the either. So for the purposes of cap, if he doesn't receive an offer before the other deals become finalized, it is his tender offer that is used for his cap hold. Right now we have enough money to offer Noel about $20 mil starting (which would be idiotic by the way). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 4 hours ago, capstone21 said: I don't think we use up a bunch of cap space on limited player like Noel. I like his D but I don't like the rest of his game or his injury history. If we did, then it's another move to question the new GM on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolvetigers Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 6 hours ago, Flight said: I think Nerlens may be one of the few players I'd be ok with seeing us Max, given his age and potential Potential? He averages 8pts a game and 5 rebounds in his 3rd year in the league...and you want to give him a Max contract....Wow...just Wow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 10 hours ago, capstone21 said: He is a good defensive player but do we really want to max this guy out? He really doesn't bring anything to the offensive end and he is oft injured. I like that we are interested in him but we shouldn't overpay for him. Grab Green and Reed and be done with it Yep this. No way you give the max to Noel. At best he's Theo Ratliff and would anyone have maxed him out back in the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 41 minutes ago, wolvetigers said: Potential? He averages 8pts a game and 5 rebounds in his 3rd year in the league...and you want to give him a Max contract....Wow...just Wow 14 ppg - 11 rebs per 36 minutes. I don't know about giving him the max, but he is an impactful player on the defensive end. One of the better young center prospects in the NBA. LOL . . who was it in the other thread that said that Hawks fans will never agree on who they want at center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Not worth near the max but is clearly worth Bazemore's contract. That said, any reasonable deal will easily get matched. Easy pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vol4ever Posted July 6, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 7 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: 14 ppg - 11 rebs per 36 minutes. I don't know about giving him the max, but he is an impactful player on the defensive end. One of the better young center prospects in the NBA. LOL . . who was it in the other thread that said that Hawks fans will never agree on who they want at center? You forgot the narrative here.......he has to be a 3pt shooter, not rebound or block shots.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4wkfan Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I would love to have noel here. But not on a max contract. Maxing a guy like him handcuffs a team to mediocrity. Look at championship teams and who they max. Superstar players. Then they supplement their roster with role players on reasonable deals. Not max them out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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