Let's Talk Draft Picks

[terrell]

On 5/27/2020 at 9:13 AM, JayBirdHawk said:

All role players aren't created equal though.  You can have high end role players that are starters vs bench role players. Role players that are specialists, etc.

So a "solid role guy" is a good draft pick this year right?

[terrell]

28 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

This guy is kinda growing on me. He could play some Point forward,  some stretch 4, and SF for us.  Backup PG,  backup PF, and backup SF all in on e draft pick...lol

[JayBirdHawk]

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Several league sources said the 2020 draft is expected to be pushed back from June 25 to early September. Two of the sources also said the board of governors would also discuss whether the upcoming free-agency period should be moved ahead of the draft. Free agency for the 2020-21 season will be moved from the scheduled start of 6 p.m. June 30.

– via Keith Pompey @ The Philadelphia Inquirer

A long way to go with more time to pick apart the prospects.

 

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There have been discussions about experimenting with having free agency before the draft this offseason. The National Basketball Players Association would have to agree to such a move, according to a source.

– via Keith Pompey @ The Philadelphia Inquirer

YES Please!!

[kg01]

1 hour ago, terrell said:

This guy is kinda growing on me. He could play some Point forward,  some stretch 4, and SF for us.  Backup PG,  backup PF, and backup SF all in on e draft pick...lol

Boris Diaw 2.0.

Useful?  Of course.

Worth a lotto pick?  Eh...

[kg01]

Some notes from the latest draft show.  Featured Okongwu this episode

Fran was asked which team is just a piece away from taking a big jump.  *drumroll please*  He said it was Atlanta.  Cited all things we already know.  Have had 5 FRP's in the last few years.  Young-all-star, Collins-ready for a raise.  Reddish-came on late.  Huerter-solid.  Top 5 picks only played 6% of possessions (huh?) so he's anxious to see what they look like together on the court.  Defense is the problem.  Should be better with addition of Capela, continued growth.  Has capspace to add vet.

Spatola's pick was MIN, to which Fran disagreed strongly.  Said stte Towns has been in the league for a while.  And they had an change with Jimi but weren't able to do it.  Hawks 19-46, MIN (with Towns) was 19-45.  Just doesn't see them pushing forward.

"I think it's the Hawks or bust for me." - Fran

In interview, Okongwu said he's a defense-first player.  Loves to defend.  Said all the right things.  As a former teammate of all the Ball brothers in HS, said they're still close, talks to Limelo all the time.  Tells Ball he could shut him down.  Easy.  Knows all his moves.

Team Needs segment (Knicks)

- Fran: The Knicks should be open for bidness.  I'd be open to trading everybody.  Knox, Barrett, everybody.  They're in for a major rebuild.  They need everything, don't just settle on a pg. 

- Spatola agreed, pretty much.  As a Knicks fan, he said "Well at least we have hope ... that may be all we have but ..."

[JayBirdHawk]

30 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Some notes from the latest draft show.  Featured Okongwu this episode

Fran was asked which team is just a piece away from taking a big jump.  *drumroll please*  He said it was Atlanta.  Cited all things we already know.  Have had 5 FRP's in the last few years.  Young-all-star, Collins-ready for a raise.  Reddish-came on late.  Huerter-solid.  Top 5 picks only played 6% of possessions (huh?) so he's anxious to see what they look like together on the court.  Defense is the problem.  Should be better with addition of Capela, continued growth.  Has capspace to add vet.

Spatola's pick was MIN, to which Fran disagreed strongly.  Said stte Towns has been in the league for a while.  And they had an change with Jimi but weren't able to do it.  Hawks 19-46, MIN (with Towns) was 19-45.  Just doesn't see them pushing forward.

"I think it's the Hawks or bust for me." - Fran

In interview, Okongwu said he's a defense-first player.  Loves to defend.  Said all the right things.  As a former teammate of all the Ball brothers in HS, said they're still close, talks to Limelo all the time.  Tells Ball he could shut him down.  Easy.  Knows all his moves.

Team Needs segment (Knicks)

- Fran: The Knicks should be open for bidness.  I'd be open to trading everybody.  Knox, Barrett, everybody.  They're in for a major rebuild.  They need everything, don't just settle on a pg. 

- Spatola agreed, pretty much.  As a Knicks fan, he said "Well at least we have hope ... that may be all we have but ..."

Good stuff!

Re the bolded...I think it means as a group, where all the guys were avaible at one time, they only played 6% of the total possessions for the season. I saw it broken down by minutes played together somewhere vs the whole season. IIRC something like 200+ minutes .

[bird_dirt]

15 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

A long way to go with more time to pick apart the prospects.

 

YES Please!!

Can't we at least just have the whole ping pong ball ceremony already?! 

It's driving me nuts not knowing the draft order.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, bird_dirt said:

Can't we at least just have the whole ping pong ball ceremony already?! 

It's driving me nuts not knowing the draft order.

Can't. Not until the rest of season is determined, particularly if non playoff teams will be playing or not. These 5 teams' position can changes if games are playing.....Cavs and Wolves have 19 losses, Hawks and Pistons 20 losses, NYK 21 losses.

[bird_dirt]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Can't. Not until the rest of season is determined, particularly if non playoff teams will be playing or not. These 5 teams' position can changes if games are playing.....Cavs and Wolves have 19 losses, Hawks and Pistons 20 losses, NYK 21 losses.

*Sigh*

I know. I'm just getting anxious. These days are wearing on me.

[Spud2nique]

13 minutes ago, bird_dirt said:

*Sigh*

I know. I'm just getting anxious. These days are wearing on me.

Me 2  (me putting on a Bruce Lee exhibition for my earlier)

[Thomas]

On 5/19/2020 at 12:35 PM, kg01 said:

@Thomas is the better person to ask about this topic.  I don't think they were much better but I'll defer to ol' doubtin' thomas.

A precious few folks were warming up because more games were won by the Dawgs than the previous year and we took down Memphis but the conference record was only 5-13 so you know... Edwards will be a strong asset for someone at some point if nothing else because he can finish in traffic and we have seen what growing pains can be like for a guy like Cam who I think will be All Star material. Anyway, have no real insights but will say if Capela is not injured for the rest of his life and Bruno gives us what I think he will then I take my chances with Ant if he is available. There again I am probably more confused than ever about this draft, but really four guys to look at for me so where is our pick gonna land anyway?  

[Peoriabird]

8 minutes ago, Thomas said:

A precious few folks were warming up because more games were won by the Dawgs than the previous year and we took down Memphis but the conference record was only 5-13 so you know... Edwards will be a strong asset for someone if nothing else because he can finish in traffic and we have seen what growing pains can be like for a guy like Cam who I think will be All Star material. Anyway, have no real insights but will say if Capela is not injured for the rest of his life and Bruno gives us what I think he will then I take my chances with Ant if he is available. There again I am probably more confused than ever about this draft, but really four guys to look at for me so where is our pick gonna land anyway?  

If we draft Edwards, What does the wing rotation look like with all 4 guys healthy?

[Thomas]

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

If we draft Edwards, What does the wing rotation look like with all 4 guys healthy?

Not convinced the minutes come so soon for Ant. But when/if they do and if there is not a trade involving a redhead then Cam will be spending more time than I thought at SF and Hunter spends more time than I thought at PF. As I said before it is confusing to me but it really depends I think on what the staff thinks Capela can do on his contract years with us. Personally like Cam starting at the two a whole lot but if nothing else Ant is maybe this years asset to covet and manage whether to keep long term or not.

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, Thomas said:

Not convinced the minutes come so soon for Ant. But when/if they do and if there is not a trade involving a redhead then Cam will be spending more time than I thought at SF and Hunter spends more time than I thought at PF. As I said before it is confusing to me but it really depends I think on what the staff thinks Capela can do on his contract years with us. Personally like Cam starting at the two a whole lot but if nothing else Ant is maybe this years asset to covet and manage whether to keep long term or not.

If we Draft Edwards, what position will be targeted in free agency other than back up point guard?

[Thomas]

8 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

If we Draft Edwards, what position will be targeted in free agency other than back up point guard?

After all the arguments that have been going on about FA for a good while not sure what I can add. PG and PF back ups. Lets find out if we draft a point or not and then of course Jeff has stated the Hawks are his desirable team so a strategic decision there. If it is Ant he can be many different things for us you know. Even though he was a Dawg am trying to think in terms of a Hawk's asset and what would make the most sense now and later. Until we see acclimation though, who knows?

[JayBirdHawk]

20 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

If we draft Edwards, What does the wing rotation look like with all 4 guys healthy?

PG: Huerter (spot minutes)

SG: Cam,Heurter, Edwards

SF: Hunter, Cam

PF: Collins, Hunter

 

8 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

If we Draft Edwards, what position will be targeted in free agency other than back up point guard?

Backup PF.

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, Thomas said:

After all the arguments that have been going on about FA for a good while not sure what I can add. PG and PF back ups.

If we sign a back up power forward then Hunter won't see minutes at the 4.  The down side to drafting/signing another shooting guard is that it throws the rotations off and you're left with playing players out of position like Vince at the 4 or Teague at the 2 or Hunter at the 4.  This is not winning basketball.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

Most of the draft stuff talked about in Kirchner's article previously posted. For those that don't have access.

From the 21 minute mark they discuss the Core 5, Bruno and Capela.

 

[Thomas]

As is though, Bruno is the backup four and third string C am thinking. Skal and health are a serious question to me. Not really arguing about who to draft. Guessing you would rather go big and have no argument there. As said earlier it is basically four or five guys in the beginning of the draft we could use. Do believe Ant is the biggest drooling asset to own though by most teams. By the way I love Toppin but not at the first two picks don't think.

[kg01]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Most of the draft stuff talked about in Kirchner's article previously posted. For those that don't have access.

From the 21 minute mark they discuss the Core 5, Bruno and Capela.

 

That was a really good listen.  Surprised to hear about Heurter being on Omari's diet(sic) which basically led to his lost season apparently.  Dang, two of our picks might mess 'round and eat themselves outta Atlanta.