Free Agency 2020!!

[Peoriabird]

 

[gHost83]

Honestly I think our starting lineup should be Trae, Bogi, Cam, Collins, Capela. Second team should be Rondo/Dunn, Huerter/Dunn, Hunter, Gallo, Big O. Good mix of scoring and defense on both units. 

Before anyone says we are paying Gallo 20 mill to come off the bench, he will get 27 to 30 mins off the bench like a starter.

Remember all the bums we paid to warm the bench?  20 mill on the bench is nothing. Parsons, Turner, Crabbe, Teague and Plumlee stole money from us for years. I think it justifies the overpay for Gallo for him to be content with an off the bench role.

[gHost83]

8 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

 

Who TF is this clown? Hornets got an A for Hayward and we got at C+ for Gallo?  He's snorting something man

[marco102]

20 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Ultimately Cam success is the difference between us being in the mix for winning the conference and being a play in game team but Trae ability to be a true PG is ultimately what's gonna be critical if we were to get 1st seed.

I don't think Trae defense is what people have the biggest problem with. They know its terrible but so is defense with a lot of stars like Luka. It's his ability to play winning Basketball that's the issue. Trae has to be a better floor general like Nash was. 

@NBASupes you need to set your expectations a little more realistically.  The chances of Cam taking a leap like Trae are slim and the likelyhood of the Hawks being the top seed are slim and don't just depend on Cam.  I'd be happy with 4 - 8. 

To expect Trae to play "winning" basketball with last year's roster is setting unrealistic expectations.  He could literally play the exact same way as last year and the Hawks, with this roster, will win 10 - 20 more games.  It's about the talent around you and not necessarily the player themselves. 

I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve in all aspects of his game, just saying, it's crazy to say this person doesnt play winning basketball because their team was set up to lose.  Luka's team was set up to perform pretty well.  Luka def raised that floor of that team.  That's for sure.  Let's see if Trae can do the same this year.

Also, side note.  If Cam does make a Trae Young like leap, the league is f***ed!

Edited November 23, 2020 by marco102

[mrhonline]

I refuse to watch YT videos that are more about the person talking than the content.  I'm content in my old-ness.

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, gHost83 said:

Who TF is this clown? Hornets got an A for Hayward and we got at C+ for Gallo?  He's snorting something man

It's his personal opinion. 

I actually liked the Hayward move by Charlotte but the pay is insanely daft. 

Gallo was a genius move by the Hawks. A+ 

Dunn was my favorite move by the Hawks.

Rondo could have the most impact even if it's not to himself(Trae)

Snell as a 12th man is crazy honestly. 

If we land Bogi, it's huge. 

[kg01]

37 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Hmm, he maybe was trying to make that point and I don't disagree with it.  However, my problem is when gave the example of Kemba freaking Walker being a dog on defense or something like that.  They talk about Trae like he's a 7 year veteran. I mean I know his offensive production makes him look like that, but I think we'll see a much improved effort this season with a much smaller offensive load. I think he can at least show Kemba Walker's effort on defense. 

Yeah, agree Kemba is trash on defense too.  I'm soo rooting for the Hawks to take a couple steps on D so people can switch their narratives.

[kg01]

7 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

I refuse to watch YT videos that are more about the person talking than the content.  I'm content in my old-ness.

So should we get off your lawn now or ...?

[marco102]

Just now, kg01 said:

Yeah, agree Kemba is trash on defense too.  I'm soo rooting for the Hawks to take a couple steps on D so people can switch their narratives.

I'm there with you Bro, when Trae puts in effort, which he barely did, on the defensive end, he's an average bad defender.  I think we're going to be pleasently surprised by the leap the Hawks take on that end.  They also may be able to just outscore alot of teams too.

[kg01]

Can the Heat just hire Haslem as a freaking coach already?  Geez.

[marco102]

12 minutes ago, gHost83 said:

Who TF is this clown? Hornets got an A for Hayward and we got at C+ for Gallo?  He's snorting something man

He's not been high on the Hawks.  The comment section is giving it to him. It's only his opinion though which he's entitled to.

[mrhonline]

8 minutes ago, kg01 said:

So should we get off your lawn now or ...?

Oh, don't get me started on my lawn. Hate that thing.

[Jody23]

 

[JTB]

Just now, Jody23 said:

 

Uhhhhhh 

[mrhonline]

I wonder if it's guaranteed. 3rd PF we've been looking for, though.

[NBASupes]

Just now, marco102 said:

@NBASupes you need to set your expectations a little more realistically.  The chances of Cam taking a leap like Trae are slim and the likelyhood of the Hawks being the top seed are slim and don't just depend on Cam. 

To expect Trae to play "winning" basketball with last year's roster is setting unrealistic expectations.  He could literally play the exact same way as last year and the Hawks with this roster will win 10 - 20 more games.  It's about the talent around you and not necessarily the player themselves. 

I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve in all aspects of his game, just saying, it's crazy to say this person doesnt play winning basketball because their team was set up to lose.  Luka's team was set up to perform pretty well.  Luka def raised that floor of that team.  That's for sure.  Let's see if Trae can do the same this year.

Also, side note.  If Cam does make a Trae Young like leap, the league is f***ed!

He literally improved his WAR from -3.0 to -0.1 to -0.2. That's 2.9/2.8 ish improvement from Jan to Mar. Trae's improvement from Jan to Apr was a +3 improvement too as a rookie. To say I need to manage my expectations better is just not realistic to me. He had a 2.8 improvement. Like I said with Trae, it's not hard to expect him to be a 6 WAR player. He ended up a 7+ with potential to be 8 if we played a full season. If Cam plays an entire season like he played the 2nd half, a 5-6 WAR is not out of question. If he made a clear improvement, 8 WAR is not out of question, especially for a player with his two-way abilities. 

WAR projected Trae to have a 2.7 Soph season. His WAR was a 7.2 and note, he did not play a full season and his WAR was going up in the 2nd half of the year. WAR did not take into account Trae was a +3.3 from Jan to Apr as a rookie. 

That's why I am so high on Cam Reddish. His trajectory is sky high. 

Kevin had a projection of 2.5 WAR as a Soph. He ended up a -0.0 WAR. This should not be a shock. He finished Jan to Apr last year with a 0.0 WAR. All of his positive WAR was when he was coming off the bench with Jeremy Lin and VC. 

Even when Luka's Mavs were ass, he still played Basketball to win. he isn't much of a floor general in my eyes but Luka moves well without the ball, he gets into positions to make things happen so when it gets the ball, positivity follows, Luka is a better player than Trae even if he's on a better team. When he was on a worse team in the 2nd half, he still did a lot of winning things that you know would translate. Trae didn't. I don't know why that's so hard for Hawk fans to understand. Every other fanbase sees that with Luka why is it that ours doesn't? That doesn't mean Trae can't be special but Luka is in another league. 

Trae doesn't play winning Basketball consistently. He does occasionally and runs the offense, listens to the coach, try to get everyone involved but for the most part, he like to go YOLO too much. He wasn't a favorite of the players due to this as well. This can improve, in fact he was better at this as a rookie than as a Soph. I personally feel that having a locker room/film guy like Rondo is exactly what Trae needs.

Cam had a 2.9 WAR from Jan-Mar type jump and could have ended up with a 3.5 WAR jump if he played a full season. It's fair to say, he could make a bigger jump. A Siakam/Giannis like jump.

 

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

 

We choose Solo over Skal? Why? 

Skal must have received another offer or Atlanta thinks he's a two-way contract guy with Knight. 

[mrhonline]

Hill was decent in Memphis.

[terrell]

Jerami Grant blindsided Nuggets and chose Detroit over Denver..Same amount of $ and years...Wow.....lol

[macdaddy]

7 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

We choose Solo over Skal? Why? 

Skal must have received another offer or Atlanta thinks he's a two-way contract guy with Knight. 

isnt't he roster full by now?   or is this a non guaranteed deal?