No Extension for John Collins

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, mrhonline said:

That's not really the point. 

The question is, "Do the Hawks want to pay him that?"  Looking at their off-season moves and future obligations, I don't get the impression they want to.

I'm trying to say this objectively and without being alarmist, but I'm not really having much luck, so I'll be more direct ---

They may just let him go.  That's an eventuality I don't think some of you are prepared for, but you need to at least consider it.

I can see it now: at the deadline the Hawks trade JC for a lottery protected 2021 Draft pick and some middling player with the 'potential' lable or next offseason when a team makes him an offer and the Hawks decline to match we'll end up with the talented TPE...good luck with that. 

I take no objection to the Hawks letting him get to RFAcy (as was a strong advocate when I didn't think we'd use all of our capspace this offseason) ....there are just several ways this can play out, and knowing Atlanta sports luck,  it makes me uneasy.

[aali34]

One of John's best traits has always been that he's self-aware. That PED issue has come back to bite him and I'm certain that it's been communicated to him that the FO is not convinced at the sample sizes they've seen. If he's dissapointed he should also be dissapointed in himself that he fumbled last season.

Him and Trae definitely know that outside Atlanta they are viewed as stat stuffers on a bad team. This is his chance to prove otherwise.

 

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I can see it now: at the deadline the Hawks trade JC for a lottery protected 2021 Draft pick and some middling player with the 'potential' lable or next offseason when a team makes him an offer and the Hawks decline to match we'll end up with the talented TPE...good luck with that. 

I take no objection to the Hawks letting him get to RFAcy (as was a strong advocate when I didn't think we'd use all of our capspace this offseason) ....there are just several ways this can play out, and knowing Atlanta sports luck,  it makes me uneasy.

Here's the thing about trading John. Wouldn't a team just wait for RFA? It's hard to see a trade happening. 

[macdaddy]

7 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Basketball 

Yeah.  He's excellent at sports games. 

[Atlantaholic]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Here's the thing about trading John. Wouldn't a team just wait for RFA? It's hard to see a trade happening. 

Some teams will be willing to do it, but it definitely hurts his value. 

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, aali34 said:

One of John's best traits has always been that he's self-aware. That PED issue has come back to bite him and I'm certain that it's been communicated to him that the FO is not convinced at the sample sizes they've seen. If he's dissapointed he should also be dissapointed in himself that he fumbled last season.

Him and Trae definitely know that outside Atlanta they are viewed as stat stuffers on a bad team. This is his chance to prove otherwise.

 

Talent is hard to come by in this league. Elite stat stuffers get elite contracts. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, bleachkit said:

Here's the thing about trading John. Wouldn't a team just wait for RFA? It's hard to see a trade happening. 

Depends on the team doesn't it.  A team has to have the requisite capspace in order to make a RFAcy offer.  If you don't have capspace and want to trade for him his salary for this season is miniscule and then that team can exceed the cap to sign him as their own RFA.

[aali34]

Just now, bleachkit said:

Talent is hard to come by in this league. Elite stat stuffers get elite contracts. 

I agree, I personally wanted him extended. I'm just rationalizing the reason as to why not.

I guess they want him to prove he's not a Wiggins archetype?

[bleachkit]

1 minute ago, Atlantaholic said:

Some teams will be willing to do it, but it definitely hurts his value. 

We aren't trading John unless it's worth it. My guess is John ends up getting a big offer in RFA and we match.

[JayBirdHawk]

26 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I hope he's traded if the value is there which I don't think will be but if it is, move him. I am still holding out hope for a Mikal Bridges for JC trade.

Of course you do.

[bleachkit]

Just now, aali34 said:

I agree, I personally wanted him extended. I'm just rationalizing the reason as to why not.

I guess they want him to prove he's not a Wiggins archetype?

Wiggins got a monster deal. It's easy to say as a fan "he's not worth a max, let him walk." Teams can't just let talent walk, and no team wants to be known as being cheap either.

[aali34]

Just now, bleachkit said:

Wiggins got a monster deal. It's easy to say as a fan "he's not worth a max, let him walk." Teams can't just let talent walk, and no team wants to be known as being cheap either.

Wiggins was not worth it at all though. Especially at the expense of Jimmy. 

[bleachkit]

4 minutes ago, aali34 said:

Wiggins was not worth it at all though. Especially at the expense of Jimmy. 

It's easy to say that in retrospect. But the point being, teams prefer to overpay than let a guy walk.

[JayBirdHawk]

7 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Wiggins got a monster deal. It's easy to say as a fan "he's not worth a max, let him walk." Teams can't just let talent walk, and no team wants to be known as being cheap either.

The Hawks have had practice with both Horford and Milsap 

[NBASupes]

25 minutes ago, aali34 said:

One of John's best traits has always been that he's self-aware. That PED issue has come back to bite him and I'm certain that it's been communicated to him that the FO is not convinced at the sample sizes they've seen. If he's dissapointed he should also be dissapointed in himself that he fumbled last season.

Him and Trae definitely know that outside Atlanta they are viewed as stat stuffers on a bad team. This is his chance to prove otherwise.

 

I would say a lack of self awareness is why he's in this situation. 

[NBASupes]

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

The Hawks have had practice with both Horford and Milsap 

Both are much better players than Collins. Those especially Horford is players we should have kept.

[bleachkit]

5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

The Hawks have had practice with both Horford and Milsap 

Well GMs are in a tough spot. They don't know for sure if a guy will stay or not. And let's say they do agree to trade their star on the last year of their deal, everyone will say "you traded an all star for that?" Getting outbid in free agency is less embarrassing than agreeing to a lack luster trade.

[NBASupes]

22 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Talent is hard to come by in this league. Elite stat stuffers get elite contracts. 

I am 100% convinced he's Josh Smith. His perception on this site is FAR from the reality. He's not that damn good. He's clearly overpaid at 4/80, at what he wants, he must think he's Siakam or better which he actually thinks which is hilarious 

[NBASupes]

John Collins is to the Hawks what Jabari Parker was to the Bucks. 

[JayBirdHawk]

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Both are much better players than Collins. Those especially Horford is players we should have kept.

............and yet we let them leave for Nothing!