Hunter is becoming Marv

[Spud2nique]

I usually don’t make directly comparison individual threads but this dude needs to step up.

Hunter has the body, needs more heart.

Drop the nice guy BS and ball bro.

[Dnice]

He does seem very easy going, the players don't have to be a total rpick, but a tad more grit and edge.

[Spud2nique]

When I made this thread I was hoping I was wrong. Seriously, what the heck. Baby Kawhi my a$$. Dude don’t play up to his body level or potential man, comon.

[shakes]

My new nickname for his is Mr. Molasses

[JTB]

I’m disappointed but we still need to keep Hunter by all means. I’m giving him to 5-6 year mark to really break out of his shell.

 

I don’t believe he’s ever going to be a 2 guy but he could be a somewhat very good 3 - 4 guy.

[AHF]

48 minutes ago, JTB said:

I’m disappointed but we still need to keep Hunter by all means. I’m giving him to 5-6 year mark to really break out of his shell.

 

I don’t believe he’s ever going to be a 2 guy but he could be a somewhat very good 3 - 4 guy.

He has had pretty limited windows when his offense is impactful but his defense has been good for the vast majority of his games with us.  I still think he can be an important part of our rotation but I'm no longer hoping that his hot start to last season is a sustainable baseline for him without some significant development (which I don't rule out).

[JayBirdHawk]

Let me say again....he needs to stay on the floor!

[Atlantaholic]

Substitute this year's Hunter to Rookie Hunter. What's the difference? 

[Spud2nique]

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Let me say again....he needs to stay on the floor!

Ohkkayyy… but he’s still Marvining out there. Can’t deny that. He’s the best of what we currently have but he’s not who I thought he was. Not yet anyways.

[JeffS17]

He's young.  No sense in talking about him needing to change his personality -- he is who he is.  Lot's of nice guys are ballers, I don't buy into guys needing to be emotional to be good.  Tim Duncan won 5 rings without smiling.  Steph is the opposite of a guy with "edge and grit".  I hate how people revere MJ for being a d*ck to his teammates and others.  He won in spite of that, not because of it.  I just want Hunter to stay healthy and nimble.  I worry about his knee a lot... feels a half step slow from what we've seen.  Just tossing my thoughts down.

[Spud2nique]

24 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

He's young.  No sense in talking about him needing to change his personality -- he is who he is.  Lot's of nice guys are ballers, I don't buy into guys needing to be emotional to be good.  Tim Duncan won 5 rings without smiling.  Steph is the opposite of a guy with "edge and grit".  I hate how people revere MJ for being a d*ck to his teammates and others.  He won in spite of that, not because of it.  I just want Hunter to stay healthy and nimble.  I worry about his knee a lot... feels a half step slow from what we've seen.  Just tossing my thoughts down.

No doubt I agree and hope to help I’m wrong. I don’t make these threads often specially about our own guys. 
 

But I just feel a tad like I was kinda had so far just a bit. I recognize it’s early, but he needs to find what he does (defense) and pick his spots and hit. I’ll be thrilled with 25 but I’ll take 14/6/4.

Chances of him being a Pippen or Kawhi now to me have gone down. 15-20% 
 

Chances of him being a Mikal, (I’m happy with this btw) is 55%.
 

Him being Marvin. 54.5% 

[Final_quest]

I think/hope it's valid to say that his before and after the WWE foul by Kelly Oubre is a factor.  Hunter looked good before that and bad afterwards.  

[bleachkit]

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

I think/hope it's valid to say that his before and after the WWE foul by Kelly Oubre is a factor.  Hunter looked good before that and bad afterwards.  

That was awhile ago. At some point you have to shake it off.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

On 2/25/2022 at 11:37 AM, JTB said:

I’m disappointed but we still need to keep Hunter by all means. I’m giving him to 5-6 year mark to really break out of his shell.

 

I don’t believe he’s ever going to be a 2 guy but he could be a somewhat very good 3 - 4 guy.

 

What does "by all means" mean?

If a team offers him a 4 - 100 mill deal, do you match it?

 

As for the OP, Marvin Williams was a better player in Year 3, than De'Andre is now.

One of the biggest red flags about De'Andre's game, is that his PER is way below most lottery picks, because he's basically a one-trick pony from an analytics impact standpoint.  And that is he's simply an average shooter.

He doesn't rebound.  He definitely doesn't make plays for others.  He doesn't get to the FT line.  And he doesn't get steals and blocks ( the type of things on defense that ends the opponent's offensive possession ).  The fact that he only averages one steal AND block COMBINED per game, is not the type of production you'd want to see out of your best defensive player.

On most good teams, De'Andre would not be a starter.  On the Hawks, he's seen as essential.

That's BAD for the immediate future of the team. And it may be a major miscalculation on Schlenk's part to stand pat at the trade deadline.

Let's hope the collective play of the team, can diminish some of the glaring weaknesses of some of our players.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

On 2/25/2022 at 1:06 PM, Atlantaholic said:

Substitute this year's Hunter to Rookie Hunter. What's the difference? 

 

His midrange game was looking great, before he got hurt last season.

But other than a slight uptick in 3 point shooting, it's basically no difference.

[Atlantaholic]

3 hours ago, Final_quest said:

I think/hope it's valid to say that his before and after the WWE foul by Kelly Oubre is a factor.  Hunter looked good before that and bad afterwards.  

Or maybe it's just a small sample of size? He had like 4 good games and since then it's been like a dozen bad ones in a row. Hard to believe that a fall that caused him to miss no time is impacting him a month later. 

[terrell]

On 2/25/2022 at 2:06 PM, Atlantaholic said:

Substitute this year's Hunter to Rookie Hunter. What's the difference? 

He's older..

[terrell]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

What does "by all means" mean?

If a team offers him a 4 - 100 mill deal, do you match it?

 

As for the OP, Marvin Williams was a better player in Year 3, than De'Andre is now.

One of the biggest red flags about De'Andre's game, is that his PER is way below most lottery picks, because he's basically a one-trick pony from an analytics impact standpoint.  And that is he's simply an average shooter.

He doesn't rebound.  He definitely doesn't make plays for others.  He doesn't get to the FT line.  And he doesn't get steals and blocks ( the type of things on defense that ends the opponent's offensive possession ).  The fact that he only averages one steal AND block COMBINED per game, is not the type of production you'd want to see out of your best defensive player.

On most good teams, De'Andre would not be a starter.  On the Hawks, he's seen as essential.

That's BAD for the immediate future of the team. And it may be a major miscalculation on Schlenk's part to stand pat at the trade deadline.

Let's hope the collective play of the team, can diminish some of the glaring weaknesses of some of our players.

4 yr 100 mill? 

 

[Atlantaholic]

Hunter is completely unplayable in the second unit. 

[JTB]

5 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

What does "by all means" mean?

If a team offers him a 4 - 100 mill deal, do you match it?

 

As for the OP, Marvin Williams was a better player in Year 3, than De'Andre is now.

One of the biggest red flags about De'Andre's game, is that his PER is way below most lottery picks, because he's basically a one-trick pony from an analytics impact standpoint.  And that is he's simply an average shooter.

He doesn't rebound.  He definitely doesn't make plays for others.  He doesn't get to the FT line.  And he doesn't get steals and blocks ( the type of things on defense that ends the opponent's offensive possession ).  The fact that he only averages one steal AND block COMBINED per game, is not the type of production you'd want to see out of your best defensive player.

On most good teams, De'Andre would not be a starter.  On the Hawks, he's seen as essential.

That's BAD for the immediate future of the team. And it may be a major miscalculation on Schlenk's part to stand pat at the trade deadline.

Let's hope the collective play of the team, can diminish some of the glaring weaknesses of some of our players.

“By all means” unless we actually get something back better in a trade or find something better on the market.