Effect of New Take Foul Rule on the Hawks

[benhillboy]

12 hours ago, kg01 said:

I wish 10 yo kg could've met 10yo benhill.  We could've set you on a path to greatness.... 

When I was 10 I had the drawing skills and music tastes of a 20 year old, I doubt that  

My bad I triggered you giving Ja a compliment.  Won’t happen again 

Edited October 21, 2022 by benhillboy

[kg01]

4 hours ago, benhillboy said:

When I was 10 I had the drawing skills and music tastes of a 20 year old, I doubt that  

My bad I triggered you giving Ja a compliment.  Won’t happen again 

Wait, where did you give Ja a compliment?  I missed that part.  Had I seen it ...... whoo boy, this mightve taken a dark turn.

[Spud2nique]

19 hours ago, benhillboy said:

Now if we can get these Bigs back to the basket game in order the league will be cooking with Crisco again.

Would that account for sexier analytical stats? 
 

[benhillboy]

12 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Would that account for sexier analytical stats? 
 

If they were proficient at converting And 1s and above average passing from the block hell yeah, see Embiid’s career 4.5 offensive box in a three point shooting era.  If not, see Dwight Howard’s career offensive box of .9 playing a majority of his career in an era where post play was still prevalent.

[NBASupes]

28 fbps v Houston and 26 fbps v. Orlando 

[Atlantaholic]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

28 fbps v Houston and 26 fbps v. Orlando 

That's been the difference in both games. When our half-court offense starts catching up to that my oh my. 

[JayBirdHawk]

So is it working?

What do our fastbreak points look like so far with 14 games?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

13 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

So is it working?

What do our fastbreak points look like so far with 14 games?

6th in the league

 

That 9.5 ppg in 2021 was dead last in the league.

7th in the league, in 2022

[TheNorthCydeRises]

I think they updated that as soon as I started to copy that.  We were 6th when I first looked at it.  They already updated the Memphis stats.

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

6th in the league

 

That 9.5 ppg in 2021 was dead last in the league.

7th in the league, in 2022

This.Is.AWESOME!!!

[Final_quest]

8 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

6th in the league

 

That 9.5 ppg in 2021 was dead last in the league.

7th in the league, in 2022

I really did not understand this stat over the summer.  Murray alone gives us a huge boost.  

[macdaddy]

So far i was wrong about the new rule.  It has really opened up fast breaks.  Makes no sense to me actually but i think we're seeing guys scared to foul at all in transition.  I expect that changes as we get to the end of the season.   It makes no sense that teams were willing to give a take foul but now won't actually foul to stop a break.  All they have to do is reach in and get a hand on the ball or even hammer them at the rim.  

[JayBirdHawk]

13 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

So far i was wrong about the new rule.  It has really opened up fast breaks.  Makes no sense to me actually but i think we're seeing guys scared to foul at all in transition.  I expect that changes as we get to the end of the season.   It makes no sense that teams were willing to give a take foul but now won't actually foul to stop a break.  All they have to do is reach in and get a hand on the ball or even hammer them at the rim.  

It's forcing guys to make a play on the ball in lieu of just wrapping up a guy.

The was no consequence for the take foul but a regular foul - now it's a freethrow by ANY player AND the ball back. 

[macdaddy]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It's forcing guys to make a play on the ball in lieu of just wrapping up a guy.

The was no consequence for the take foul but a regular foul - now it's a freethrow by ANY player AND the ball back. 

Yeah but you're not even seeing guys make a hard play on the ball.  I guess for fear of it being called a take foul.   But my point is if you were willing to foul to stop the break before why not keep doing it.  It's not that hard to foul while making a play on the ball.  

[benhillboy]

I’m pretty sure teamrankings.com’s fast break efficiency stat is PPP.  It has helped the Hawk’s offense significantly (2.18 PPP) despite giving up a pretty solid PPP on the defensive end at 1.98.  Still an advantage I’ll take it.  Indiana at 2.78 goddamn they canning threes and And 1s like crazy.

[JayBirdHawk]

Old stuff, but hasn't been an issue - particularly for Bogi.

[macdaddy]

I was 100% wrong on the effect of this.  I thought there would be hard fouls in transition, but mainly the refs quickly called any transition foul a take foul whether it was a real attempt on the ball or not.  So guys just quit completely which is what the league wanted.   It's kind of a huge artificial advantage to the offense when the defense in transition knows they can't even get close to guys but again that's what the league wanted.