Official Game Thread: Timberwolves at Hawks

[macdaddy]

Yeah the defense sucked but you can't win making 4, 3pointers.   Really 3 as one was a garbage time shot. 

[Mikey]

Everybody just calm down lol. Hawks had I believe the fourth hardest schedule by SOS post ASB...

They have played pretty much every other day since the break. They will not have 3 days off to work on things with a lighter schedule coming. This team isn't good and they will need to break the poor habits that they learned under Nate. Snyder has had zero chance to install his plays and scheme and this end of the season is simply a trial run to see who he wants to keep for next season on. Just take a breathe and don't expect anything for this season which was already ruined when they brought nate back

[shakes]

9 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Hawks in a real tough position. This is why tanking is the best option and hoping you get Wemby as him and OO would be perfect fits and you solve all of our issues. 

this is what I've been saying since November, but was laughed at.    

 

I could see the writing on the wall with this team 5 games into the season.

[terrell]

7 hours ago, Sothron said:

To be fair this is the first season that his shooting has fallen off a cliff. It has to be the finger he refused to get surgery on. I don't know if he will get surgery in the offseason and if that will fix his shooting but it couldn't hurt.

He's unplayable like he is now for us. If he played for somewhere else where his rim running spot wasn't taken (CC) or his mid range jumper wasn't taken (DJ/Hunter) he could still offer a lot to a team. But not this team, not right now.

But yet he remains in the starting 5... Because of that ridiculous contract.. smh

Edited March 14, 2023 by terrell

[shakes]

9 hours ago, NBASupes said:

I f***ing hate the idea of this trade because it will kill our defense but we gotta get more spacing if we bring in Ayton to play next to Okongwu. 

Free agency, we will lose Bogi. We need to sign Donte D. or give a full MLE to Dillon Brooks. We need a backup center unless Bruno is ready to fill that role which I hope he is. 

Gives us: 

Trae

Brooks or Donte D

MPJ

Okongwu

Ayton

 

Payne

Griffin/Matthews

JJ 4 on O, 3 on D

Bey 3 on O, 4 on D

Bruno

 

 

 

This is a big hell no on Michael Porter.    Supes you claim to be the smartest poster here and I think you are definitely in the running for that distinction.   But, there's no doubt I'm the smartest poster here when it come to back injuries.  And Ive been saying since before he was drafted that Porter was destined to have a career ruined by back problems and would definitely have another back surgery within 3 years of his NBA career.  I've been 100% correct in every statement I've posted about Porter.

He's 100% done.  Scratch that, he was 100% done before his rookie year even started.   Even if he manages to string together a couple relatively healthy seasons his back will always be a ticking time bomb.    He will 100% not make it to his 30s without needing yet another back surgery.     That's if he even makes it to his 30s as an NBA player.

[terrell]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

The problem with the Hawks now is Murray can't guard and Capela can't protect the paint...simple as that.  And of course it doesn't help that Capela is terrible on offense as well and Murray is a ball stopping point guard which make the offense stale and totally dependant on him when Trae is off the floor because is an average passer at best.

Delon Wright was a better fit than Murray. And Nate took him out of the rotation at one time, meanwhile Murray played/plays almost 40 min a night.. smh

He shouldve been benched last night..  That shit was horrible..

In Nates defense, he never wanted to make the Murray trade (along with Schlenk)..

It was always "Trae really wanted DJM" when they asked him about it.... I mentioned it at the time.. Now we know he was telling the truth.. It was all Trae LF and Nick Ressler...

I really hope Quin has a say in Personnel, because he has to know that this shit isnt gonna work longterm..

Edited March 14, 2023 by terrell

[Diesel]

21 minutes ago, shakes said:

 

 

This is a big hell no on Michael Porter.    Supes you claim to be the smartest poster here and I think you are definitely in the running for that distinction.   But, there's no doubt I'm the smartest poster here when it come to back injuries.  And Ive been saying since before he was drafted that Porter was destined to have a career ruined by back problems and would definitely have another back surgery within 3 years of his NBA career.  I've been 100% correct in every statement I've posted about Porter.

He's 100% done.  Scratch that, he was 100% done before his rookie year even started.   Even if he manages to string together a couple relatively healthy seasons his back will always be a ticking time bomb.    He will 100% not make it to his 30s without needing yet another back surgery.     That's if he even makes it to his 30s as an NBA player.

I remember when it happened to Larry Legend and then when it happened to Larry Johnson.   Johnson was so strong that he was able to deal with it better and he in fact changed his whole game because of it.   Bird however.. was done.   It's one of those areas of the body that modern medicine knows the least. 

 

[Diesel]

5 hours ago, terrell said:

Delon Wright was a better fit than Murray. And Nate took him out of the rotation at one time, meanwhile Murray played/plays almost 40 min a night.. smh

He shouldve been benched last night..  That shit was horrible..

The B.S. that you pass along. 

Nate talked about taking him out of the rotation... but never really did.  Wright played in 77 games for us.  That's more games played than any other HAWK...  Nobody who wore a Hawks UNI played more games that Wright....  Hell he may have played all 82 games if he didn't have COVID protocol in late December...  As far as his mpg... he shared that OG position with Bogi, Lou, and Kev.  Still managed to play ~19 mpg.  In the playoffs he played 27 mpg. 

 

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2015-16	23	TOR	NBA	PG	27	1	8.5	1.3	3.0	.450	0.2	0.5	.385	1.1	2.5	.463	.481	1.0	1.3	.743	0.3	1.1	1.4	1.1	0.3	0.1	0.6	0.3	3.8
2016-17	24	TOR	NBA	PG	27	0	16.5	1.8	4.3	.422	0.4	1.1	.333	1.4	3.2	.453	.466	1.6	2.0	.764	0.6	1.2	1.8	2.1	1.0	0.4	0.9	1.1	5.6
2017-18	25	TOR	NBA	PG	69	4	20.8	2.9	6.3	.465	0.8	2.2	.366	2.1	4.0	.520	.530	1.4	1.7	.829	0.7	2.2	2.9	2.9	1.0	0.5	1.1	1.2	8.0
2018-19	26	TOT	NBA	PG	75	13	22.7	3.2	7.4	.434	0.7	2.2	.298	2.6	5.2	.492	.478	1.6	2.0	.793	0.9	2.6	3.5	3.3	1.2	0.4	1.0	1.4	8.7
2018-19	26	TOR	NBA	PG	49	2	18.3	2.6	6.0	.433	0.6	1.8	.333	2.0	4.1	.478	.485	1.1	1.2	.869	0.8	1.8	2.6	2.2	0.9	0.3	0.8	1.1	6.9
2018-19	26	MEM	NBA	PG	26	11	30.8	4.4	10.2	.434	0.8	3.0	.256	3.7	7.2	.508	.472	2.5	3.4	.742	1.1	4.3	5.4	5.3	1.6	0.6	1.5	1.9	12.2
2019-20	27	DAL	NBA	PG	73	5	21.5	2.6	5.6	.462	0.6	1.7	.370	2.0	3.9	.504	.519	1.1	1.4	.770	1.0	2.9	3.8	3.3	1.2	0.3	1.0	1.3	6.9
2020-21	28	TOT	NBA	PG,SG	63	39	27.7	3.8	8.2	.463	1.0	2.7	.372	2.8	5.5	.509	.525	1.6	2.0	.802	1.0	3.2	4.3	4.4	1.6	0.5	1.3	1.2	10.2
2020-21	28	DET	NBA	SG	36	31	29.2	3.8	8.1	.464	0.9	2.5	.348	2.9	5.7	.515	.517	2.0	2.5	.789	1.0	3.5	4.6	5.0	1.6	0.5	1.3	1.3	10.4
2020-21	28	SAC	NBA	PG	27	8	25.8	3.9	8.3	.462	1.2	3.1	.398	2.6	5.3	.500	.536	1.1	1.3	.833	1.0	2.9	3.9	3.6	1.6	0.4	1.3	1.1	10.0
2021-22	29	ATL	NBA	SG	77	8	18.9	1.6	3.5	.454	0.6	1.5	.379	1.0	2.0	.510	.535	0.7	0.8	.857	0.6	2.2	2.9	2.4	1.2	0.2	0.6	0.7	4.4
2022-23	30	WAS	NBA	PG	39	9	24.3	2.6	5.4	.481	0.8	2.3	.371	1.8	3.2	.561	.559	1.0	1.1	.905	1.2	2.1	3.3	4.0	2.1	0.3	0.9	1.

 

[macdaddy]

36 minutes ago, shakes said:

this is what I've been saying since November, but was laughed at.    

 

I could see the writing on the wall with this team 5 games into the season.

Nah.  we were laughing at your hat. 

[macdaddy]

So much pining for Delon Wright this season.   Did anyone watch the Wiz games?   Trae just owned him.   He played 30 minutes a game in the playoffs for us against Miami as the secondary ball handler.  How'd that work out.    I mean i like the guy and all but he's not going to be a starter on a contending team. 

[Diesel]

Delon was a better defender than we have now.   Delon's problem was his 3 pt shot was too selective and his offense was slow.   The real best Delon played was on the second team when he was paired with Lou Will and had Bogi and Gallo out there shooting the lights out.    It left room for him to be wide open and hit wide open shots. 

When he finally played with the starters, his defense was disruptive.  I miss that dude...  Is he better than Murray?  I don't think he can handle the pressures that Murray deals with.   Right now, the many squawkers are on Murray.   They have soon forgot how Murray ran the team in Trae's absence earlier in the season.   Murray is still trying to find his best fit.  IN the meanwhile, there are some flaws to his game that need work.  But Murray's peak is higher than Delon's peak.   Delon is a really good in game manager.   Murray is a guy who can be a great star player.   His real problem is the OG position.   It requires having 2 mindsets...  One as a scorer.. the other as a facilitator. 

 

[NBASupes]

36 minutes ago, shakes said:

 

 

This is a big hell no on Michael Porter.    Supes you claim to be the smartest poster here and I think you are definitely in the running for that distinction.   But, there's no doubt I'm the smartest poster here when it come to back injuries.  And Ive been saying since before he was drafted that Porter was destined to have a career ruined by back problems and would definitely have another back surgery within 3 years of his NBA career.  I've been 100% correct in every statement I've posted about Porter.

He's 100% done.  Scratch that, he was 100% done before his rookie year even started.   Even if he manages to string together a couple relatively healthy seasons his back will always be a ticking time bomb.    He will 100% not make it to his 30s without needing yet another back surgery.     That's if he even makes it to his 30s as an NBA player.

I agree with you. It's not a good idea because Porter Jr is on the decline with back issues, you are right, I am wrong on that. I just can't come up with one if we land Ayton. You have to play him next to someone hungry. It's difficult and Hunter doesn't provide great spacing. Teams want him to beat them when it counts offensively.

Mikal Bridges would be perfect but Brooklyn isn't trading him. Ayton requires starting Okongwu but that requires spacing from the 2 or 3. We Huerter, we had that. Damnit, thar Huerter trade really hurt us long term.

Edited March 14, 2023 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

KAT is the most ideal as he doesn't require us to make any other personnel changes.

KAT is the most ideal as he doesn't require us to make any other personnel changes.

[Peoriabird]

I don't know what people are seeing but Murray's defense is worst than Huerter's defense. Average players just blow past this guy routinely. He does not have superstar potential at all.  He occasionally has good offensive nights but this guy definitely cannot run an offense.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

I don't know what people are seeing but Murray's defense is worst than Huerter's defense. Average players just blow past this guy routinely. He does not have superstar potential at all.  He occasionally has good offensive nights but this guy definitely cannot run an offense.

Murray defense is superior to Kevin. Let's remember, Murray plays more minutes than anyone and he's going up against the hardest matchups and against guys 30 pounds bigger or more on a nightly basis. I told ya'll that the backcourt size would be an issue. It's not an issue with a week break but when you play 7 games in 12 days, the wear and tear. Murray was one of the best PGs defending the screen. Of late, he's been dying on screens like crazy. He's tired. He shouldn't be playing the 2. 

[NBASupes]

10 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

So much pining for Delon Wright this season.   Did anyone watch the Wiz games?   Trae just owned him.   He played 30 minutes a game in the playoffs for us against Miami as the secondary ball handler.  How'd that work out.    I mean i like the guy and all but he's not going to be a starter on a contending team. 

He's a backup PG. I don't think anyone wanted him as a starter. The frustration is how much we paid for Murray, he's producing but when we play a lot of games, he struggles.

Travis tried to tell Tony and Nick...

[Peoriabird]

@NBASupesYou may want to take a closer look at this guy because I thought the same until focusing in his total inability to stay infront of anybody

[shakes]

21 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I remember when it happened to Larry Legend and then when it happened to Larry Johnson.   Johnson was so strong that he was able to deal with it better and he in fact changed his whole game because of it.   Bird however.. was done.   It's one of those areas of the body that modern medicine knows the least. 

 

and if I recall correctly Bird didn't have surgery until after he retired.     The back issue becomes much much worse after you've had 2+ surgeries because then the scar tissue becomes an issue as well.

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, shakes said:

and if I recall correctly Bird didn't have surgery until after he retired.     The back issue becomes much much worse after you've had 2+ surgeries because then the scar tissue becomes an issue as well.

Yeah.. that's right.  He even played on the dream team with that messed up Back. 

 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

@NBASupesYou may want to take a closer look at this guy because I thought the same until focusing in his total inability to stay infront of anybody

He's worn out. Just watch his games after ASB or in the beginning of the year. He was a stud defensively. We have him playing 36 minutes, going against the toughest matchups and everyone screens the shit outta him. He's tired.