2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[NekiEcko]

34 minutes ago, KB21 said:

There has to be more coming back to Atlanta.  CJ is not a prize.  Herb fits the Hawks most dire need for POA perimeter defense.  However, more has to come back for Trae.  

Yeah, and I can see CJ get send to a third team since I dont see a Murrary/CJ backcourt working.  

So, I see is.

Trae/OO for BI/Herb/Dyson or CJ (to a third team)/Picks

[KB21]

I don't get the desire some have to get Ingram.  Particularly if he plays with Dejounte.  They do the same thing.  They are mid-range mavens and will take bad shots to get their middy game on.  

[Mikey]

11 minutes ago, KB21 said:

That trade wasn't about DJM.  It was about Trae.  You don't trade Trae Young and get just Herb Jones.  I would do DJM for Herb and CJ.  

Correct I am saying the proposed deal at deadline was for DJM and will likely be discussed in variations again. CJ wouldn't be in it most likely or he'd go to a third team.

You absolutely do not trade Trae for just Herb and CJ

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, Mikey said:

Correct I am saying the proposed deal at deadline was for DJM and will likely be discussed in variations again. CJ wouldn't be in it most likely or he'd go to a third team.

You absolutely do not trade Trae for just Herb and CJ

I think your post below the initial tweet was confusing.

[Mikey]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I think your post below the initial tweet was confusing.

yeah probably. his tweet was about trae I was talking about dejounte though.

[JayBirdHawk]

Funny how narratives can change depending on the jersey.......

 

 

Heat trading for Trae Young would give Jimmy Butler another chance at a championship

 

Trae Young has been dismissed as an empty stats player. That narrative would change if he were in a Miami Heat jersey.

 

By Brennan Sims | 8:00 AM EDT

 

 

Atlanta Hawks v Miami Heat / Michael Reaves/GettyImages

Consider this: only two players in NBA history have managed to average 20 points and nine assists in their careers. One is the legendary Oscar Robertson and the other is none other than Trae Young. The diminutive dynamic playmaker has led the Hawks to a top-10 offense three times in his career, with a top two finish in 2022.

 

https://allucanheat.com/posts/heat-trade-trae-young-jimmy-butler-championship-chance

[KB21]

Miami Heat folks think they can get whoever they want.  They don't have the capital to pull off a deal for Trae Young unless they tamper like they did with Dame and get him to say Miami is the only place he's willing to go.  

[KB21]

So, those of you with connections, are you hearing anything different on the Trae front?  I know it's media propaganda more than likely, but it seems like there is just a lot more trade Trae talk going on that hasn't been squashed yet.  I know Brad keeps reiterating that he's not hearing anything on the Trae front.  

[AHF]

17 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Miami Heat folks think they can get whoever they want.  They don't have the capital to pull off a deal for Trae Young unless they tamper like they did with Dame and get him to say Miami is the only place he's willing to go.  

Even then Atlanta would probably prefer to just keep him rather than take garbage back because Miami is holding Fields over a barrell.

33 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I don't get the desire some have to get Ingram.  Particularly if he plays with Dejounte.  They do the same thing.  They are mid-range mavens and will take bad shots to get their middy game on.  

I also have some deep reservations about Ingram.  The lack of contributions outside of scoring and the focus on the middy game raise questions for me whether that is a good fit next to Trae.  Seems like a strong defender and perimeter shooter should be more the focus.  I also question how he could deliver positive value on his next contract given what I'd expect him to get which sounds like it might be higher than what Jeff and perhaps some others expect him to take.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

This is why Ingram does not fit alongside Trae.  

Who had less muscle Pierce or Danny Manning? I hated both! 

33 minutes ago, KB21 said:

So, those of you with connections, are you hearing anything different on the Trae front?

Ya I have an update, he isn’t going ANYWHERE! 

[JTB]

I would take BI + Dyson for Murray + OO.

 

it gives us a different look at the end of the day and I’m high on Dyson as a defender.

[theheroatl]

I’m hoping this FO has a plan. If we are sitting with no transactions by July 1 that is horrible.

[Gray Mule]

Atlanta Braves have a lesson (Example) to teach their Atlanta Hawk partners.

Braves have made several trades.  Made the most of these trades.  The Braves are, right now, a first-place team.  

Hawks are in need of certain players and have an over-abundance of others.  Hawks are a sub-.500 team and are at the very edge of paying taxes for having too much payroll.  Time to auction off some players.  Shuffle the deck and re-deal!

We can't trade _______.  Really?  Ask the Braves about their great 1st baseman who went west.  What happened?

[KB21]

23 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

Atlanta Braves have a lesson (Example) to teach their Atlanta Hawk partners.

Braves have made several trades.  Made the most of these trades.  The Braves are, right now, a first-place team.  

Hawks are in need of certain players and have an over-abundance of others.  Hawks are a sub-.500 team and are at the very edge of paying taxes for having too much payroll.  Time to auction off some players.  Shuffle the deck and re-deal!

We can't trade _______.  Really?  Ask the Braves about their great 1st baseman who went west.  What happened?

Well, he wasn't traded.  They let Freeman walk because it didn't make sense to give a 32-year-old player the 6 year contract he was wanting.  They traded for Matt Olson instead and gave the 28-year-old an extension.  

The lesson that needs to be learned is to not overpay for your own guys.  Ronald Acuna signed a below market extension.  Same for Ozzie Albies.  Dansby Swanson didn't though, and they let him walk.  Don't overpay for talent that is replaceable.  The John Collins and DeAndre Hunter extensions would have never happened under a guy like AA.  Both of those deals were made by Travis Schlenk.  Landry Fields has caught the brunt of the discourse over that, but his hands were tied on the Collins deal and any deal that involves Hunter.  

Now, Landry's one move he did make was signing Murray to a below market deal.  Even with the bad fit with Trae, that's a very good move instead of just losing him for nothing.  

[theheroatl]

2 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Don't overpay for talent that is replaceable.  The John Collins and DeAndre Hunter extensions would have never happened under a guy like AA.  

 

Ain't this the truth... So many GM's are afraid of letting these guys walk and get baited into overpaying.

AA knows how to GM.. can he be the GM of Falcons, Braves, and Hawks at the same time

[KB21]

You know what?  The Bogi contract Landry got done is a very good deal for the Hawks as well.  Murray and Bogi are both on below market deals through at least the 25/26 season.  Onyeka's deal is a very good deal as well.  I like what Landry has done in terms of getting extensions at below market prices.  

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, KB21 said:

You know what?  The Bogi contract Landry got done is a very good deal for the Hawks as well.  Murray and Bogi are both on below market deals through at least the 25/26 season.  Onyeka's deal is a very good deal as well.  I like what Landry has done in terms of getting extensions at below market prices.  

Bogi being healthy has made that contract a great deal.  It was sketchy to me given his health track record at the time.  Murray and OO's deals both looked great to me when signed.

[Wurider05]

2 hours ago, theheroatl said:

Ain't this the truth... So many GM's are afraid of letting these guys walk and get baited into overpaying.

This is going to be the death of the league. 

[bird_dirt]

3 hours ago, theheroatl said:

Ain't this the truth... So many GM's are afraid of letting these guys walk and get baited into overpaying.

AA knows how to GM.. can he be the GM of Falcons, Braves, and Hawks at the same time

The next Stan Kasten

[JTB]

8 hours ago, KB21 said:

I don't get the desire some have to get Ingram.  Particularly if he plays with Dejounte.  They do the same thing.  They are mid-range mavens and will take bad shots to get their middy game on.  

Hope and trust in Synder is the desire.

We hope BI’s length & wingspan makes a significant difference with the help of Hawks university.

To me! If you trade for BI, you are betting on Synder to utilize BI in a different way we haven’t seen on both ends.

I believe Synder can get BI to become a better 3pt shooter just like he was able to do with Murray and cut down the mid range shots. With defense it may be more impactful to have a more engaged BI than Murray strictly do to BI’s length. It seems as if Synder already teaches to play in passing lanes so it’s possible BI will look like a better defender overall with that one change.

I personally believe if we can get Dyson in the deal to then you do it. He can’t space the floor but the kid has good defensive potential just like Bufkin. I think it’s a pipe dream to get Herb Jones at this point but that’s just my opinion. If I’m the pelicans i wouldn’t trade herb jones for anyone less than a star. It’s hard to find a POA defender! Especially one who’s lengthy.

We may have to settle on a lineup of Trae, BI, Hunter, Jalen, drafted center ….and hope they stay healthy.